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FL lawyer says Giuliani, Romney, McCain wrong on Schiavo case
OneNewsNow ^ | 5/28/07 | Jim Brown

Posted on 05/28/2007 9:33:12 AM PDT by wagglebee

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To: Gondring; 8mmMauser
It’s also pro-Constitution, which includes the right to worship as we wish

But you supported the right of the state to deny Terri Communion?

81 posted on 05/28/2007 11:45:40 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: tflabo
Also, our Terri Daily threads have run nonstop throughout and are a huge repository for sources of evidence, links, and eyewitness accounts including those of us who were on-scene. These mantras are shopworn and tired. Check the current Terri Dailies as well, topic being the book by Chery Ford, RN, and Dr. Craddock which presents a mountain of evidence on this case still held as a Cold Case in the Homicide division of the St. Petersburg Police Department.

Terri Dailies

82 posted on 05/28/2007 11:46:41 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: dsc

When it ocurred I was outside talking with one of the monks, Brother Hilary, who was supporting the Schindler family. Suddenly an excited guy burst out of the hospice went straight for us and exclaimed that Terri just shrieked, as he understood it moments before, “I want to live!” He was thrilled that it had been witnessed by a cop and couldn’t be denied. A short while later, Attorney Waller made a statement to the press that it was said, approximately “I waaaaa...” Terri’s intent was clear to those who had ears. The press by none of our surprise smirked off the incident. Meanwhile, the cop underwent a sudden amnesia. What I witnessed was a first reaction by somebody there.


84 posted on 05/28/2007 11:53:02 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: tflabo
here's a link for you to read concerning eyewitness nurses caring for Terri

Ah yes... the "nurses" who weren't really nurses, but were just assistants. And then there's Carla Sauer Iyer, who was an LPN ("just a little dab [of therapy] 'll do ya") who claims to know more than the doctors and RNs who examined Mrs. Schiavo.

And let's not forget the investigations that found these claims groundless.

And let's not forget that getting terminated for stealing from a nursing home can make a person's later testimony a bit questionable.

And let's not forget that this nurse didn't document things when they supposedly happened--or even report the alleged mistreatment of Mrs. Schiavo--but then later made claims. Do you trust a nurse who wouldn't report a patient's abuse at the time?

85 posted on 05/28/2007 11:53:11 AM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: Firebase Bastogne
Congress does not grant "rights", Congress can only grant privilege. Rights are inalienable and god given, they can't be granted or taken away.

You are absolutely correct and Congress was ignored when they tried to protect Terri's rights that Greer illegally infringed.

86 posted on 05/28/2007 11:53:48 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee; Semper
Serious question...not trying to be antagonistic with this, honestly...

No, I think God alone should decide when and how we die.

If God tries to take your life by possessing a deer to run out in front of you, do you not swerve?

87 posted on 05/28/2007 11:55:44 AM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: Gondring
I am pro-rights, including the right to life, and right of self-determination. I guess you don’t understand that.

I sure understand it but you have not shown you understand the meaning of a right-to-die kill.

88 posted on 05/28/2007 11:56:28 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: Gondring

Of course, we have God-given instincts, just like we eat when hungry, etc.


89 posted on 05/28/2007 11:56:48 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Gondring

You really need to open a new bag of mantras. These are indeed not very fresh and attract bugs.


90 posted on 05/28/2007 11:58:40 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: Fudd Fan
I told them both that if the only things keeping me alive were food and water (like right now), they'd better not decide that I don't need 'em.

By those standards, since oxygen in the air is keeping you alive as well, anyone on a ventilator is not on artificial life support, and should never be disconnected. Air, food and water are not artifical life support, but the mechanism of delivery may be.

91 posted on 05/28/2007 12:21:46 PM PDT by retMD
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To: 8mmMauser
Terri was very happy right up to the moment when they stopped feeding her and giving her drink. ... She was conscious and aware of her surroundings.

The autopsy report does not support your assertions.

92 posted on 05/28/2007 12:25:11 PM PDT by retMD
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To: tflabo
she possibly could have learned to swallow on her own with therapy that MS purposely withheld along with other abuses to her.

According to the Guardian ad Litem's report, she had three swallowing studies, all of which showed she couldn't swallow. The autopsy report confirmed that she would not have been able to swallow safely.

93 posted on 05/28/2007 12:30:29 PM PDT by retMD
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To: wagglebee
She was AWAKE, there are videos supporting it. Has it occurred to you that 13 days without hydration will sufficiently dry the brain to the point that it is impossible to determine when the damage took place?

No, sorry. The videos were short bits edited out of many hours of random motions. You could do the same for many patients that were PVS. And no, the dehydration wouldn't keep the neuropathologist from accurately assessing the brain.

94 posted on 05/28/2007 12:34:10 PM PDT by retMD
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To: wagglebee
And the end result was that an innocent woman was MURDERED and any of these candidates would allow it to happen again.

The law says otherwise. Don't like it? Then change the law to remove the right of spouses to determine an incapacitated person's fate. Don't like that either? Then make sure people have living wills. We are a nation of laws, not emotions.

95 posted on 05/28/2007 12:35:58 PM PDT by montag813 (q)
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To: montag813; All
We are a nation of laws, not emotions.

As was Nazi Germany, that doesn't make all laws morally right.

96 posted on 05/28/2007 1:16:28 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee; montag813
As was Nazi Germany, that doesn't make all laws morally right.

Godwin!

97 posted on 05/28/2007 2:00:22 PM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: retMD; tflabo

It sure doesn’t. The autopsy report doesn’t change reality at all so far as that goes. During those last days I was with Monsignor Malanowski each day right after his visits and he gave us progress reports on how Terri was reacting. Do I believe him or do I believe an autopsy report based on a brain starved for hydration for thirteen days, on whether she was aware surroundings?

I guess you are an MD. I do have twenty six years experience with our son who was worse off in that department than Terri and he was very much aware of his surroundings, and similar in many ways. During those twenty six years we received much solemn evaluation from MD’s who gave us gloom and doom about his life span and he proved them all wrong.

I am a conservative Catholic and Monsignor is a fine priest. Who do I believe?

Oh, my son was worse off than Terri for swallowing, too. He could swallow. Terri would have swallowed, too, if they would have let her. As an MD you must know, swallowing is fairly basic even to one whose brain had received the insult s Terri’s received.


98 posted on 05/28/2007 2:01:34 PM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: wagglebee

BUMP


99 posted on 05/28/2007 2:02:36 PM PDT by tutstar (Baptist Ping list - freepmail me to get on or off.)
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To: retMD

You seem to know about certain parts of Terri’s situation, yet spill out the standard line of Terri’s adversaries. Perhaps you can enlighten us on your perspective. Do you know any of the players in this travesty?


100 posted on 05/28/2007 2:06:15 PM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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