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China intent on aircraft carrier goal
washington times ^ | May 28, 2007 | By Richard Halloran

Posted on 05/28/2007 1:33:37 PM PDT by Flavius

ONOLULU -- The new commander of U.S. military forces in the Pacific and Asia says he found Chinese military leaders intensely interested in acquiring aircraft carriers during a recent visit to that country. Adm. Timothy J. Keating added in an interview that he had warned the Chinese about the huge challenges involved in building and manning an aircraft carrier. "I suggested let's not be naive about the complexity of those ships, and they are not cheap," he said.

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1 posted on 05/28/2007 1:33:39 PM PDT by Flavius
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To: Flavius

Test flights have been promising......

2 posted on 05/28/2007 1:41:03 PM PDT by Rameumptom (Gen X= they killed 1 in 4 of us)
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To: Flavius

If the Chinese military declares openly interest in aircraft carrier, this is an old Oriental trick. All ways pay attention to what they don’t say versus what they do say. Pay attention to the Chinese submarine developments more than aircraft carriers. Today US surveillance can detect anything on the surface except when under jungle cover or underwater.


3 posted on 05/28/2007 1:41:26 PM PDT by Fee ( R)
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To: Flavius
Nothing surprising here, since they bought the Kiev and the Melbourne to study already. They have the Su-27/J-11 to operate off it, and they have increased military spending to finally support such an endeavour.
4 posted on 05/28/2007 1:45:33 PM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: Fee

Submarines, DDGs, etc., aren’t necessarily excluded by the drive toward a carrier fleet.


5 posted on 05/28/2007 1:46:43 PM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: Gondring

well i just thought they will

just copy all those systems cheapen them up

then let em rip by thousands


6 posted on 05/28/2007 1:48:03 PM PDT by Flavius ("Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum")
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To: Fee
You are astute. Vely astute.

Number 1 son say submalines be useful for locating sunken callier. That is why we must have one ship flom column A and 2 flom column B.

7 posted on 05/28/2007 1:48:32 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk (Crazies to my left. Wimps to my right. BTW, Muslims ain't "Immigrants." They's Colonists.)
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To: Flavius
The ChiComs bought a Russian aircraft carrier, the Varyag, and are refitting it.


8 posted on 05/28/2007 1:51:57 PM PDT by FormerACLUmember
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To: FormerACLUmember
i see your varyag and raise you a Chinese children's resort
9 posted on 05/28/2007 1:54:15 PM PDT by Flavius ("Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum")
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To: magslinger

ping!


10 posted on 05/28/2007 1:58:51 PM PDT by Fred Hayek (Liberalism is a mental disorder)
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To: Flavius

I wouldn’t trust the ChiComms any farther than I could Throw one of their DF-31 ICBM’s.


11 posted on 05/28/2007 2:37:59 PM PDT by austinmark ("May the Flea's of a Thousand Camels Nest in ALLAH's Pubic Hair" !!!)
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To: Fee
Pay attention to the Chinese submarine developments more than aircraft carriers.

Much like the old Soviet Union, there is a surprising amount of open debate in military journals that are publicly avaliable.

The reality is the carrier thing is controversial within the PLAN and there are obviously arguing factions.

12 posted on 05/28/2007 2:46:11 PM PDT by Strategerist
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To: Jeff Head

Your input is required.

Thanks buddy!


13 posted on 05/28/2007 2:49:16 PM PDT by Eaker (Free The Texas 3 - Ramos, Compean and Hernandez)
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To: Kenny Bunk

I wouldn’t joke too loudly. The Japanese were laughed at in 1938, but built a great fleet that came within inches of defeating us. The Chinese are equally inventive, adaptive, and resolved to overtake us in carriers. I believe that they will within the next decade. I hope that our military can rise up to the challenges.


14 posted on 05/28/2007 2:52:07 PM PDT by richardtavor (Pray for the peace of Jerusalem in the name of the G-d of Jacob)
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To: Flavius

It’s our money they are doing this with.
We need to buy our trinkets from another, less hostile country.


15 posted on 05/28/2007 2:54:20 PM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (Never bring a knife to a gun fight, or a Democrat to do serious work...)
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To: Kenny Bunk; Fee
I wonder.
Are we keeping close tabs on Chinese submarines?
If we are, do they know?
And if we are, and they know, do we know that they know, that we are?

I wonder.

16 posted on 05/28/2007 2:59:47 PM PDT by dogbrain (memo to self: Don't drink from toilet; it's where liberals wash their hands....)
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To: Flavius
"Adm. Timothy J. Keating added in an interview that he had warned the Chinese about the huge challenges involved in building and manning an aircraft carrier."

Why doesn't ghe just dummy up and let the Chinese go ahead and build as many as they wish?Using the Soviet carrier they bought as a model, well, they will spend a lot of money to no viable purpose.

17 posted on 05/28/2007 3:12:26 PM PDT by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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To: Eaker; Flavius
As I said on the other thread regarding this same meeting, the Admiral was quoted as saying, regarding the Chinese trying to build a carrier...

"This would be a profoundly difficult venture if the Chinese choose to undertake it," he said.

Well, my input to the admiral is simply this...I believe from the following that we can see that they are already well on their way.

Turning the former Soviet Varyag into an Opertional PLAN Carrier


18 posted on 05/28/2007 3:37:55 PM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Flavius

“Arr hands to the fright deck.”


19 posted on 05/28/2007 4:29:39 PM PDT by beethovenfan (If Islam is the solution, the "problem" must be freedom.)
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To: Flavius

Real Aircraft Carriers have four steam catapults, and a FLAT deck...


20 posted on 05/28/2007 6:05:51 PM PDT by Bean Counter (Stout Hearts...)
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To: Fee
If the Chinese military declares openly interest in aircraft carrier, this is an old Oriental trick. All ways pay attention to what they don’t say versus what they do say.

I'd saw refitting a Russki carrier and purchasing the carrier-capable version of the Sukhoi Su-30 Flanker calls for some attention.

21 posted on 05/28/2007 6:32:28 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Do not do to others that which would anger you if others did it to you - Socrates)
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To: Oztrich Boy

IMHO China will activate a carrier for the purpose of training a cadre in carrier operations. I think the Varyag represents this first opportunity, but to build a fleet of carriers to challenge the US in the Far East will require alot of resources and finances. China made one major note on the Cold War, do not challenge the US directly unless necessary, because the US will build you into the ground. China’s GDP is only $ 2 trillion while the US is $ 12 trillion. Until China has an economy atleast one half of the US or greater can China build and operate a carrier navy. Britain and France GDP is about $ 3 to 4 trillion and they barely can afford to maintain a carrier fleet. IMHO China will develop a powerful sub fleet before she will concentrate on a full fledge carrier force. Her potential adversaries are Japan and Taiwan, both island nations that are vulnerable to submarine and minewarfare. A surface fleet will have a harder time getting thru these island barriers in an event of war involving US intervention. Subs on the other hand are harder to detect. IMHO keep an eye on the Chinese sub and missile developments.


22 posted on 05/28/2007 7:17:03 PM PDT by Fee ( R)
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To: Flavius
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23 posted on 05/29/2007 2:25:37 PM PDT by magslinger (Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors. And miss. R.A.Heinlein)
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To: Bean Counter
Ahem. Two cats are sufficient.

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24 posted on 05/29/2007 2:29:27 PM PDT by magslinger (Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors. And miss. R.A.Heinlein)
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To: Fee
China’s GDP is only $ 2 trillion while the US is $ 12 trillion.

China is closer to $3 trillion.

Until China has an economy atleast one half of the US or greater can China build and operate a carrier navy.

More accurately, until China is fully integrated into the world economy. They have other priorities right now. By the time they are fully integrated into the world economy, their GDP may actually be roughly equal to or slightly greater than the US.

Britain and France GDP is about $ 3 to 4 trillion and they barely can afford to maintain a carrier fleet.

More like under $3 trillion each. China's economy is ranked at 4th largest in the world (after the US, Japan and Germany). So, they are ahead of France and Great Britain. And when purchasing power parity is used, they have long been 2nd in the world.

25 posted on 05/29/2007 2:59:09 PM PDT by ponder life
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To: Gondring
and they have increased military spending to finally support such an endeavour.

Which we are paying for.

26 posted on 05/29/2007 3:02:00 PM PDT by wideminded
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To: FormerACLUmember
Here's the latest pic of the Varyag...from May. Looks like the deck and hull are pretty much done. Do not know what they have done in the last four years inside...but she did have an extended period in dry dock and has been painted in occial PLAN colors.

A lot of time and money has been put into the Varyag, and all of it in a secure NAval shipyard.

27 posted on 06/04/2007 6:16:10 PM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Jeff Head

The ChiComs are apparantly going to launch the Varyag in maybe 6-8 years. Half that time if Hillary gets back into power and the Clintons start selling our national security secrets to the Chinese military again.


28 posted on 06/04/2007 7:18:24 PM PDT by FormerACLUmember
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