Are we too fast to dismiss Europe and its past?

[TheThinker]

I can't say that I respect Europe's attitudes in recent years but I think they truly thought they were doing good all along. They had defended Western Civilization for a long time but I think this article explains how they lost their way. I do feel that if we let Europe fall, we are throwing away a lot of good and decent people and our common history. We need allies and there is enough commonality left in our two continents and enough life left in treditonal Europe to defeat Jihad and the socialism that supports it.

[fieldmarshaldj]

*BUMP*

[rawcatslyentist]

>"two out of three Swedes doubt whether Islam can be combined with Swedish society."

Gee, that's only 1/3rd less than the amount of slimes that believe they can be combined with any society, including their own!

[colorado tanker]

The decay is very far advanced, much further than seventy years ago. Europe is now in its post-Christian age, whatever that may bring.

They may wake up and want to fight the islamicization, but for what? Not for Christian or even "Western" Civilization, they don't believe in that any more. For "multiculturalism"? For "diversity"? For "equality"? Nope, sorry, inequality, i.e. Sharia, is entitled to equal weight in our multicultural universe.

Men and women will fight and die for King and Country, but not for multiculturalism and diversity. For that they will confess to crimes they didn't commit and shake the hand of Ahmadinanutjob to get home.

[Jedi Master Pikachu]

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[Jedi Master Pikachu]

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[Jedi Master Pikachu]

"Most of them [Europeans] still haven't heard of Eurabia, or the fact that the European Union, including many of their own, entrusted representatives, have actively encouraged massive Muslim immigration to the [sub]continent."

This is as stupid a statement as those Europeans who consider most Americans to be ignorant.

Because they don't agree, therefore they must not be informed.......
Trashy logic.

[Jedi Master Pikachu]

de Villepin doesn't seem to be small--he looks lanky.

[Jedi Master Pikachu]

"Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilisation of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilisation of ancient Rome."

Loopy Churchill.

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If Europe is going to be a major power, it is going to 'need' some sort of political union among the European countries, whether or not that union is the current EU.

[Vanders9]

As a European, I concur. The liberal intelligensia that runs Europe genuinely do believe they are doing good, but the road to hell, as they say, is paved with good intentions...

[Jedi Master Pikachu]

Non-Russian Europe's current Muslim population is still fairly small. Even in France, only around 10% of the population is estimated to be from or have ancestry from Muslim-majority countries (which doesn't necessarily translate into all of those people being Muslims), and France has the most (barring Turkey, which isn't set to become a member of the EU soon, and has been disconnected from the bulk of the rest of Europe for some time).

[Jedi Master Pikachu]

Hopefully that 'commonality' (see cultural similarity) diverges over time, and Americans produce a more distinct American civilization from that of Western Europe (just opinion).

[Jedi Master Pikachu]

Singapore is a Muslim-majority country which isn't 'third world.'

And European civilization is the cultural ancestor of American culture. Not all Americans' ancestors were Europeans.

Simply pointing out....

[BigFinn]

I wonder if Europe’s post-christian Godot will offer a 7 year peace treaty?

[MARTIAL MONK]

Singapore is a Muslim-majority country which isn't 'third world.

Tain't so. At least the Muslim majority part.

[CarrotAndStick]

Singapore is a Muslim-majority country which isn't 'third world.'

No, it's not.

Firstly Singapore is more of a city and less of a country.

Secondly, here's the religious breakup:

The Singapore census includes detailed data on religion and ethnicity, and is taken on a ten-year basis. Figures for religion in the year 2000 are: Buddhism - 42.5%

No religion - 14.8%

Christianity - 14.6%

Islam - 13.9%

Taoism - 8.5%

Hinduism - 4%

Other religions - 1.6%

[CarrotAndStick]

As in, more than half of Singapore believes in a Dharmic religion. The rest are mostly Christians and Atheists/Agnostics. Islam is a tiny minority.

[PGalt]

GAS! Gas! Quick, boys!-- An ecstasy of fumbling, Fitting the clumsy helmets just in time; But someone still was yelling out and stumbling And floundering like a man in fire or lime.-- Dim, through the misty panes and thick green light As under a green sea, I saw him drowning.

Allah! Allah! Quick, girls! -- An ecstasy of fumbling, Fitting the clumsy burkas just in time.....I saw her drowning.

[rmlew]

Because they don't agree, therefore they must not be informed.......
Trashy logic.

It seems to me that you are undereducated. The first 4 of the following are government organizations.

• The 1973 Euro-Arab dialog of the EEC
• The EEC Parliamentary Association for Euro-Arab Cooperation under the Euro-Arab Dialogue
• Euro-Mediterranean Partnership/Barcelona Process
• European Project Mediterranean Policy
• Comité européen de coordination des associations d’amitié avec le monde Arabe (European Committee for coordinating Amity associations with the Arab world)
• Association de solidarité franco-arabe or ASFA
• Groupe d’Etudes sur le Moyen-Orient (Geneva)
• Groupe de recherche et d'études sur la Méditerranée et le Moyen Orient (GREMMO) at the Université Lyon