If you pay a penalty, it is not amnesty. The demagogues who will not accept any sort of compromise whatsoever never respond to that with a rational answer, but just proceed to to call people names. And if you’re not going to deport 12 million people, an action for which there will be no political will, then it is better to have the 12 million legalized and in the system and to improve border security and employment identification checks, as the current bill does. The bill also restricts extended family based immigration by removing several categories, but that is of course never mentioned by the opponents. Legalization will help with assimilation of the 12 million. Incremental improvements in border security and enforcement is the best we can hope for to improve processing for the future in the context of a cumbersome bureaucracy. But of course, one can’t possible do anything practical about a real problem so far as the opponents of the bill are concerned. They would prefer the status quo of limited enforcement and an increasing subclass of unassimilated illegal aliens.
Why don't you tell me what the penalty is when an illegal gets his probationary Z VISA? Do you know?
Once he gets that probationary Z VISA he is legal. He is home free. He doesn't have to do anymore though he can eventually apply for green card and citizenship. Not that I know why he would even bother
Wrong. Offering a pathway to citizenship is amnesty.
Therefore it is not a compromise.
Do you have any idea where the trillions of dollars this will cost come from? Hint: The taxpayer.
The public is overwhelmingly against this bill. The numbers of people who are against it is growing every day.
Tighten border security, have strict workplace enforcement and the illegals will self deport. This has been proven time and time again to work. Whenever there’s a raid on a company...the local shanty towns are vacated overnight.
The bill provides for 60+million to emigrate under the family plan.
The whorehouse admits to 20+ million here illegally.
See here: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1768750/posts?page=1
You might want to try a little less BS and come up with some facts next time.
And do you think the penalty will be paid,
or do you think that “advocates” will deem it “too punative” and get it waved?
I believe the latter more than I believe any fairy tale about a sudden call for enforcement.
You don't have to deport them, all you have to do is cut off the gravy train. When illegals find that they cannot get free medical care, free education for their kids, jobs that should be done by legalized Americans for market wages, or a culture that bends over backwards to cater to them (press 2 for Spanish), then most of them will go home.
The status quo is to leave the broken system in place, until we can get leadership that will not deal with the problem in a total sellout mode. I understand your frustration here, but the Ted Kennedy solution to a problem is always worse than the problem.
Show us a system for stepping up enforcement of existing laws, and if it generally functions, we can start talking about assimilating a vast group of people that have shown little interest in adopting the language, customs, and respect for the laws of the society they leech off of.