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Legal, Good / Illegal, Bad?
National Review ^ | June 1, 2007 | Mark Krikorian

Posted on 06/01/2007 9:00:25 PM PDT by rmlew

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1 posted on 06/01/2007 9:00:27 PM PDT by rmlew
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I agree. We need to place a moratorium on immigration - say five years and then revisit the issue and decide what kinds of immigrants we want, what qualifications they ought to have to be admitted to the United States, whom we ought to exclude and what standards immigrants should meet to attain citizenship. First we do that, then we secure our borders and then we revisit the immigration issue once we have control over who can get in. Otherwise we're putting the horse before the cart.

Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus

2 posted on 06/01/2007 9:05:11 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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“they come from the same countries, live in the same communities and families, and are often the same exact people.”

Ummmm..No..They’re not.

‘Legal’ immigrants go through all the necessary procedures to come to America, uhh, legally.

“Illegal’ immigrants storm the back door and arrive by ‘stealth’ to push there way into our country because they feel it is their ‘right’ to be here and no American ‘laws’ are going to stop them.

Legal immigrants abide by the law.

Illegal immigrants don’t and are nothing more than criminals.


3 posted on 06/01/2007 9:06:31 PM PDT by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: rmlew

Oh please.


4 posted on 06/01/2007 9:06:55 PM PDT by jess35
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To: rmlew

Great article. I am one of the supposed bigots who are aginst the flood of illegals and legals from (primarily) Mexico. We are going to lose our Southwestern states relatively soon.


5 posted on 06/01/2007 9:13:58 PM PDT by PghBaldy (Stop the ethnic cleansing of American citizens. Save America, Congress!)
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To: rmlew
CALL! CALL! CALL! CALL! AND KEEP CALLING TILL THE LINES FRY!

WRITE! WRITE! WRITE! WRITE! TILL YOU RUN OUT OF INK IN YOUR PEN!

Bombard the Democrats as well, especially the ones that ran on an anti illegal immigration plank and the ones in marginal districts who could be vulnerable. keep pounding on them. This is a bipartisan issue not a Conservative or Liberal issue BUT AN AMERICAN issue.

STOP AMNESTY NOW!! WE CAN DO IT!!

The best way to stop Shamnesty

6 posted on 06/01/2007 9:16:22 PM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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Illegal =====> INFECTED

* T.B. was virtually absent in Virginia until in 2002 it spiked a 17 percent increase.

* Washington, D.C., T.B. had a meteoric rise of 188 percent. Public health officials blame immigrants, traced to illegal aliens from Mexico.

* The Queens, New York, Health Department attributed 81 percent of new T.B. cases in 2001 to immigrants, with 42 percent of all new T.B. cases ascribed to the foreign born.

* Violent T.B. outbreaks afflicted schoolteachers and children in Michigan and adults and kids in Texas. The teachers and kids caught it at school from the coughing children of illegal aliens.

* In Minnesota, the police suddenly came down with M.D.R.-T.B. The cops caught it in their patrol cars when they arrested illegal aliens who coughed in their faces.

* T.B. erupted in Portland, Maine, and DelRay Beach, Florida, directly traced to illegals.

* Chagas disease, which has no known cure and has the revolting nickname of “kissing bug disease.” The bug has parasites that favor the lips and the face for infection and infects 18 million people in Latin America.

* leprosy: Suddenly, in the past three years, America has more than 7,000 cases. Illegal aliens brought leprosy from India, Brazil, the Caribbean and Mexico.

* dengue fever. There was a recent outbreak in Webb County, Texas, on the border with Mexico.

* Polio was eradicated from America but now appears in illegal immigrants.

* Malaria was obliterated but is now emerging in Texas and other states.

* About 4,000 young children under age 5 have contracted a disease called Kawasaki, known as “strawberry tongue.”

* And there’s the deadly Marburg disease.

* And there’s the ever-present and increasing Hepatitis A, B and C; an outbreak occurred near Pittsburgh, where 3,000 came down with it thanks to infected Mexico-grown scallions and illegal alien kitchen workers in Chi-Chi’s restaurant. Two Americans died.

Dr. Madeline Cosman disease/immigration studies

7 posted on 06/01/2007 9:24:19 PM PDT by Diogenesis (Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum)
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Couldn’t agree more. Everybody’s afraid to say what they’re really concerned about (or should be concerned about) and that’s a massive change in our social and cultural environment due to the large volume of immigration, AND its lack of diversity - being primarily from one country. We need to drastically reduce the flow and increase its diversity.


8 posted on 06/01/2007 9:25:40 PM PDT by TexasKamaAina
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We all know this is all moot and a big shell game that the government is playing.

In the end the illegals will get everything that they and their proponents want and they not have to pay a penny or be punished in any way.

“Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.”

Or...

“Don’t pi$$ on my leg and tell me it is raining.”

This is a perfect example of how the average person gets screwed when the Liberals and Conservatives agree on something at the expense of the average person.

And there really aren’t checks and balances. At least right away. Wait until the next election.

I consider myself moderate and I am extremely unhappy with the Republicans right now. Starting with Bush. I might even consider switching parties. Unfortunately, the Democrats are screwing us too.

It is a perfect situation for a Perot type of candidate who will give Congress and the President back to the Democrats in 2008.

9 posted on 06/01/2007 9:29:36 PM PDT by dhs12345
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The point is that our legal immigration laws need to be changed. Legal is not necessarily good in terms of our current immigration policy. We need to change the rules.

Two Sides of the Same Coin--The Connection Between Legal and Illegal Immigration

10 posted on 06/01/2007 9:36:29 PM PDT by kabar
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To: goldstategop

It’s not just a moratorium needed. When illegals come into the country and their kids get into our public school system, they join our own children in being indoctrinated that America is bad. We are the source of all their problems in life.

Also, with the booing of our soccer team and Ms. America, and the racist hatred shown to us Americans duing the latest street protests (Si se puede!) it’s obvious that the current crop of Mexicans/Hispanics don’t like us all that well anyway. Yes, they can earn some US dollars here to send home, but they certainly don’t want our culture, our language, nor do they understand our amazing history. They are Mexican and that’s where their alligiance lies.

This is just one woman’s opinion, but that’s how it comes across to me. In the past it semms that anyonw who came to this country knew they had to work & support themselves - there may have been relatives, but no “social services.” If they wanted make good, they HAD to asimilate. And we taught all kids that America was good, and WHY.

No wonder that older generations of immigrants are doing well, but their kids are increasingly nationalistic (to their old country), racist, and getting into gangs. Our leftist friends have “helped” them do that real well. Everything the left touches they corrupt.


11 posted on 06/01/2007 9:45:08 PM PDT by Libertina
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12 posted on 06/01/2007 10:14:19 PM PDT by Diogenesis (Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum)
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To: rmlew

The author needs to drop his latte, Take a step outside his(it’s) world.


13 posted on 06/01/2007 10:15:27 PM PDT by kinoxi
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To: Bigh4u2
Of course illegal aliens are undesireable. They flout the law and commit multiple felonies. However, they also use networks provided by legal immigrants and hide among them.
To paraphrase Mao, legals are water, and illegals are fish.
14 posted on 06/01/2007 10:16:30 PM PDT by rmlew (It's WW4 and the Left wants to negotiate with Islamists who want to kill us , for their mutual ends)
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To: goldstategop

I do not support a moratorium. However a reduction to historic levels of, say 1/10 or 1% of the population per years (300,000) seems reasonable.


15 posted on 06/01/2007 10:17:59 PM PDT by rmlew (It's WW4 and the Left wants to negotiate with Islamists who want to kill us , for their mutual ends)
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To: Diogenesis
"Illegal =====> INFECTED"


I don't know if I agree with that, but...DANG...your list is scary!

16 posted on 06/01/2007 10:28:55 PM PDT by dixiechick2000 (There ought to be one day-- just one-- when there is open season on senators. ~~ Will Rogers)
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To: Diogenesis

We are SO screwed.


17 posted on 06/01/2007 10:39:05 PM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: Travis McGee

Not quite yet.......we are still breathing, and we will not relent!!


18 posted on 06/01/2007 10:48:14 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ( Hunter/Thompson/Thompson/Hunter in 08! "Read my lips....No new RINO's" !!)
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I feel like we’re locked in a sealed train, that’s been hijacked by madmen heading for a broken bridge.


19 posted on 06/01/2007 10:49:43 PM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: rmlew
But you see, I don't give a flying amorous embrace at a rolling breakfast pastry about the impact of anything on American workers. I just want only people here who want to live under a rule of law, who love law abidingness, who are grateful, etc. And oh I also want the real and present justice of the honorable treated better than the dishonorable. So blow your malthusian nonsense out your ear. Illegal is bad, and legal is good, and if you try to reject that, guess what? You won't be left with the third of the country you've got now, on your side.
20 posted on 06/01/2007 10:51:59 PM PDT by JasonC
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