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Bush Brushes Off Criticism of Immigration Bill
The Christian Post ^ | June 2, 2007 | Michelle Vu

Posted on 06/02/2007 9:59:19 AM PDT by BornInASmallTown

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To: angkor
>>IMO that's amnesty.<<

This bill goes beyond amnesty. It legalizes illegals ahead of legal immigrants, makes taxpayers pay for their immigration lawyers, does not deport even illegals with 2 DUIs or gang members, does not make them pay back taxes unless they get a green card.


101 posted on 06/02/2007 9:34:59 PM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Illegals: representation without taxation--Citizens: taxation without representation)
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To: TN Conserative

Good!!! “If there is no pressure, there is no change.”


102 posted on 06/02/2007 9:39:13 PM PDT by no dems ( Dear God, how much longer are you going to let Ted Kennedy and Robert Byrd live?)
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To: BornInASmallTown

When there was a lot of opposition to the Iraq war Bush said he got to decide, so he’s the “decider”... There’s even more opposition to this, but ultimately Bush will get to dictate what happens. Which begs the question... how much difference is there between a “decider” and a “dictator?”


103 posted on 06/03/2007 1:18:17 AM PDT by COgamer
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To: janetgreen

You’d best prepare for the Attack of the Bushbots for those comments...


104 posted on 06/03/2007 1:25:25 AM PDT by Lord_Baltar
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To: angkor
That you don't "get it" by now is a bit sad. "The President's" message to you and all of us could not be clearer.

I "get it", but I don't want anything to get in the way of me letting them know I disagree. I was simply being civil about it.

105 posted on 06/03/2007 3:05:23 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Cedric

No, Clinton was. Carter second worst.

Wrong! Carter was the worst President in the History of the United States!!! Although no need to get in an arguement over it because both are not worth it. lol.


106 posted on 06/03/2007 3:15:25 AM PDT by napscoordinator (.)
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To: Cedric

It’s getting difficult to pick the worst POTUS. There are so many POS POTUS. What king george is doing now is the worst thing for the country I’ve had the misfortune to witness.


107 posted on 06/03/2007 5:50:01 AM PDT by ca centered
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas
This bill goes beyond amnesty. It legalizes illegals ahead of legal immigrants

Yeah, I know.

In addition to your list, it also forbids local LEOs from asking about immigration/visa status.

And if an illegal is somehow caught and brought before a deportation hearing, the immigration judge must offer the Z visa to that illegal, including preparation assistance. Of course since almost all illegals are technically eligible for a Z visa, immigration courts will become visa preparation shops.

Technically and in practice this meets the formal and legal definition of amnesty. Why?

(1) Local LOEs and immigration judges are prohibited from investigating or prosecuting what was formerly a crime, just as if our illegal entry laws never existed. (2) The law applies to an entire class of people, which is those who have committed the crime of illegal entry, illegal employment, and possibly other crimes (document fraud, etc).

The two foregoing conditions constitute "amnesty" by even the most formal and rigid legal definitions., since those conditions precede any application for a Z visa, and precede the payment of the $1,000 fine (that fine being the sole technical reason proponents can cling to the dubious argument that "it's not an amnesty").

Again, technical and legal amnesty conditions are met when (1) an act that was formerly a crime is nullified, and (b) that nullification applies to a definite class of people.

Thus the conditions for amnesty are met the moment the bill is signed into law, when it immediately nullifes our laws of illegal entry and prevents judicial prosecution of that crime for the entire class of illegal entrants in the United States.

Plain and simple, that's an amnesty.

108 posted on 06/03/2007 10:39:52 AM PDT by angkor
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To: Lord_Baltar; janetgreen
You’d best prepare for the Attack of the Bushbots for those comments...

And you will be flailed by them for not calling him "Mr. President George Dubya Bush."

109 posted on 06/03/2007 10:42:32 AM PDT by angkor
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To: Caipirabob
I was simply being civil about it.

OK, I guess I was just trying to warn you that it's an unrequited civility. This morning on MTP (Russert), Mary Matalin called all of the conservative opponents "myopic".

110 posted on 06/03/2007 10:57:16 AM PDT by angkor
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To: angkor

>>And if an illegal is somehow caught and brought before a deportation hearing, the immigration judge must offer the Z visa to that illegal, including preparation assistance. Of course since almost all illegals are technically eligible for a Z visa, immigration courts will become visa preparation shops.<<

Good point. Tony Snow’s argument for amnesty is that if we tried to deport millions of people, the courts, prosecutors, and law enforcement would grind to a halt. But the amnesty bill would keep them busy too.

Looks like if the amnesty bill passed, immigration officers would not even bother to do their jobs.


111 posted on 06/03/2007 5:00:03 PM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Illegals: representation without taxation--Citizens: taxation without representation)
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To: BornInASmallTown
My Romanian neighbor’s who came here legally and run a assisted living home have heir relatives come from Romania to work in the business.
They can “legally” stay for 6 mo. then must return home and cannot get another work visa for one year.
It angers me to no end to hear these illegal invaders DEMAND the right to stay.
Why are they getting special treatment~disgusting!!!
112 posted on 06/03/2007 5:22:10 PM PDT by Isabelle
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To: Lord_Baltar
You’d best prepare for the Attack of the Bushbots for those comments...

The Bushbots are getting pretty scarce now that they realize that their "decider" has made all the wrong decisions as he dances to the globalist tunes.

Disaster, thy name is George W. Bush.

113 posted on 06/03/2007 10:37:16 PM PDT by janetgreen
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To: janetgreen

“Decider”, I thought he changed his name to “Commander Guy”?


114 posted on 06/04/2007 8:38:33 AM PDT by Lord_Baltar
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