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Scouts' forest chapel torn down after 70 years because it might offend non-Christians[UK]
Daily Mail ^ | 01 June 2007 | Dan Newling

Posted on 06/05/2007 12:23:33 PM PDT by BGHater

For almost 70 years, Scouts and Guides have savoured their place of peaceful worship under the trees.

But no longer. The woodland chapel has been demolished - its wooden pews and rudimentary cross and altar removed. In its place is a campfire circle.

The change has been imposed by the Scout Association, which believes the chapel excludes non-Christian Scouts.

Locals are dismayed, but the association says it is simply "moving forward".

The basic open-air structure in woodland surrounding Belchamps Scout Centre in Hockley, Essex, was built between the wars by volunteers.

They used old telegraph poles for pews and built a basic altar and cross. Visiting groups of Brownies, Guides,

Cubs and Scouts, have used it for generations.

Weddings have been blessed there, ashes scattered and memorial trees planted.

But in April, as the Scouting movement celebrated its centenary, it was torn down.

Former Scout leaders are outraged. Keith Rooks-Cowell, 66, led Sunday services in the outdoor chapel for more than 30 years.

The retired civil servant said: "Part of the Scout promise is to do our duty to God. It's an important tradition.

"Scouting has got no objection to any religion or faith - you should have faith, but it's not important which one.

"Anyone from any faith or any religion could go and use the chapel, it's never been a problem. The chapel was already inclusive.

"It has been wrecked. All the posts and everything had been demolished and laid flat. I was amazed and felt disgusted that this had been done."

Wendy Wilson, a bank worker and Scout leader from South-end, held religious services in the chapel for seven years. Her son Joshua, now nine, was baptised there.

She said: "It's a really special place. We all make a promise to do our duty to God, whatever God that may be.

"The chapel has never been an issue. If people didn't want to attend services, it didn't matter and they could choose to have their own ceremonies there. Nobody was made to feel excluded."

However, centre manager Nigel Ruse, 42, said: "The updating of the chapel was done to turn it into a place of worship for all faiths and not to exclude any one from Scouting.

"This is a case of taking Scouting-forward."

He said religious ceremonies could be held at the campfire circle.

But Mr Rooks-Cowell said: "A campfire is a place for sitting round singing, telling jokes and stories. The chapel was used as a quiet place for any leaders to go and sit and think. The two don't sit comfortably together.

"The campfire is not the right place for worship. All religions involves meditation and relaxation."

Last year, it was revealed that the Scout Association banned helpers from putting suncream on children unless they already had sunburn. This was to done to prevent allegations of child abuse.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: antichristianbigotry; boyscouts; bsa; bsalist; chapel; christophobia; dhimmis; dhimmitude; eurabia; godhaters; moralabsolutes; pc; purge; scouting; scouts
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Dam PC Horde.

1 posted on 06/05/2007 12:23:40 PM PDT by BGHater
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To: Lil'freeper

Ping


2 posted on 06/05/2007 12:24:19 PM PDT by big'ol_freeper (It looks like one of those days when one nuke is just not enough-- Lt. Col. Mitchell, SG-1)
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To: BGHater

Scouts ARE a CHRISTIAN BASED ORGANIZATION!! While they do allow members of other faiths in, make no mistake that they are Christian based....

The Girl Scouts WERE at one time as well, but they have been lost at least at the national level to lesbians and wiccan liberal nonsense.


3 posted on 06/05/2007 12:25:30 PM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: BGHater
Scouts' forest chapel torn down after 70 years because it might offend non-Christians[UK]

They mean Muslims don't they.

4 posted on 06/05/2007 12:26:18 PM PDT by WorkerbeeCitizen (I Relieve Myself In Islam's General Direction While I Deny Global Warming.)
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To: BGHater
A new item for the Scout motto:

5 posted on 06/05/2007 12:26:23 PM PDT by snarks_when_bored
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To: HamiltonJay

When I was a Girl Scout we said the following words at the close of each meeting: “May the Great White Father look over us until we meet again.” Can you imagine?


6 posted on 06/05/2007 12:27:25 PM PDT by sarasota
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To: BGHater

They should tear down Stonehenge...it might offend someone.


7 posted on 06/05/2007 12:27:27 PM PDT by hershey
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To: big'ol_freeper

But nobody cares about offending the Christians with such a malicious act, eh? Wonder why? Other, that’s right, Christians don’t hack your head off if you offend them. Sigh.


8 posted on 06/05/2007 12:28:13 PM PDT by piytar
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To: BGHater

“The Cross is an offense to those who are lost”

A pity really, the Scouts should have shown the backbone that they ask their young members to have.


9 posted on 06/05/2007 12:28:16 PM PDT by padre35 (GWB chose Amnesty as his hill to die on, not Social Security reform.....that speaks much)
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To: BGHater
In the meantime, there's a new mosque on every London street corner.
10 posted on 06/05/2007 12:29:29 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("All the measures of the law should protect property and punish plunder." --Frederic Bastiat)
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To: BGHater
A place of worship with only a hearth is quite obviously Hindu.

This was an act of religious intolerance against Christians.

11 posted on 06/05/2007 12:30:19 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: BGHater
The campfire is not the right place for worship.

That's such garbage. It's just as good a place as any. God is everywhere. Including in front of a campfire.

All religions involves meditation and relaxation.

Baloney. Ever been to a Yeshiva or Synagogue? Our prayers are good and loud.

12 posted on 06/05/2007 12:30:24 PM PDT by lowbridge ("The mainstream media IS the Democratic Party." - Rush Limbaugh)
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To: BGHater

As an atheist I am extremely offended by the removal of a cherished place to suit the whiny nicompoops who quite often make me look bad.


13 posted on 06/05/2007 12:30:59 PM PDT by Shion (Hunter 2008! www.gohunter08.com)
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To: Shion

Gotta’ watch how you pick your friends.


14 posted on 06/05/2007 12:32:02 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: lowbridge

BTW, imposing the standards of your form of religious worship on others is rather much don’t you think. It’s not like you have a monopoly on the rules!


15 posted on 06/05/2007 12:33:14 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: BGHater

Does this coincide with the addition of the “Promoting Jihad” badge?


16 posted on 06/05/2007 12:33:32 PM PDT by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: big'ol_freeper

Disgusting, and they did it to themselves. More appeasement.


17 posted on 06/05/2007 12:34:23 PM PDT by twonie (Keep your guns - and stockpile ammo.)
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To: everyone

More important than that, this story reveals the essence of modern liberalism, which is to DESTROY everything that stands in the way of absolute “equality” and absolute multiculturalism. The feelings of the people most affected, let alone the traditional predominance of Christianity in scouting, mean absolutely nothing to these HEARTLESS, INHUMAN ideologues.


18 posted on 06/05/2007 12:34:26 PM PDT by California Patriot ("That's not Charley the Tuna out there. It's Jaws." -- Richard Nixon)
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To: sarasota

Girl scouts unfortunately at the national level are a joke. Most of the individual troop leaders are still decent moral christian women. The national organization though has been taken completely taken over by feel good, accomplish nothing, “empowerment” minded, lesbians, wiccans etc.

Juliette Gordon Low is spinning in her grave.


19 posted on 06/05/2007 12:35:13 PM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: PBRSTREETGANG

A camp fire circle? My how Pagan of them!


20 posted on 06/05/2007 12:35:32 PM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: padre35

“Should have shown the backbone that they ask their young members to have.”


21 posted on 06/05/2007 12:35:57 PM PDT by California Patriot ("That's not Charley the Tuna out there. It's Jaws." -- Richard Nixon)
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To: BGHater

On my honor I will do my best
To do my duty to God and my country
and to obey the Scout Law;
To help other people at all times;
To keep myself physically strong,
mentally awake, and morally straight.

BTW I am offended by the mosque on Temple Mount. Think I’ll get any satisfaction?


22 posted on 06/05/2007 12:36:24 PM PDT by Ingtar (...right wing conservatives are growing tired of crawling on bloody stumps looking for scraps - JRob)
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To: padre35

That is a great comment!


23 posted on 06/05/2007 12:37:09 PM PDT by California Patriot ("That's not Charley the Tuna out there. It's Jaws." -- Richard Nixon)
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To: WorkerbeeCitizen

“They mean Muslims don’t they.”

Possibly Sikhs and Hindus, too, of which they have quite a few in the U.K.

This is sad - I wasn’t really brought up in the church, and ended up as an atheist, but traditional beliefs should not be thrown away like this. I attended a few Scout camp outdoor chapels in my day, and was never offended (maybe bored) by it, despite my personal lack of faith. Of course, as a heathen some would argue I should never have been in scouting at all. That would only have deprived them of an active member, and me of a valuable experience.


24 posted on 06/05/2007 12:38:33 PM PDT by -YYZ-
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To: HamiltonJay

I applied for a job some years ago at our regional level of the Girl Scouts. I was extremely uncomfortable with the woman interviewing me. She just wasn’t what I thought of at all when I remember Girl Scouts. She could have fit within your description of the national leaders, I don’t know.


25 posted on 06/05/2007 12:39:56 PM PDT by twigs
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To: sarasota
Oh-oh! ““May the Great White Father look over us until we meet again.” Better get yourself over to a rehab, PDQ!
26 posted on 06/05/2007 12:42:06 PM PDT by ishabibble (ALL AMERICAN INFIDEL)
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To: snarks_when_bored
Could be earned as a badge.
27 posted on 06/05/2007 12:42:29 PM PDT by Blind Eye Jones
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To: BGHater
"which believes the chapel excludes non-Christian Scouts."

Well, does the chapel exclude non-Christian Scouts or doesn't it? If non-Christian Scouts were not allowed to attend the services there, if they were truly excluded, then I could understand.

If I'm Polish and Italians come to my house for dinner, they shouldn't be surprised to be served galumpkis and pierogis.

28 posted on 06/05/2007 12:42:31 PM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
In the meantime, there's a new mosque on every London street corner.

Really?!? Wow and this site only lists 113. And less than 3 percent of the entire population of the UK.

I'm just suprised London only has 113 street corners. I remember more for some reason....

29 posted on 06/05/2007 12:44:12 PM PDT by billbears (Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it. --Santayana)
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To: BGHater

Devolution continues its spiral into hell.


30 posted on 06/05/2007 12:45:50 PM PDT by vpintheak (Like a muddied spring or a polluted well is a righteous man who gives way to the wicked. Prov. 25:26)
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To: HamiltonJay

In a way, this is a related story:

http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/2007/06/016720print.html


31 posted on 06/05/2007 12:46:00 PM PDT by ishabibble (ALL AMERICAN INFIDEL)
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To: BGHater

When I see statements like ‘whatever God that may be’ it tells me they’d already torn down the chapel in their hearts.


32 posted on 06/05/2007 12:46:21 PM PDT by Frapster (Don't mind me - I'm distracted by the pretty lights.)
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To: BGHater
Refusing to acknowledge our Creator upon whose sovereignty we explicitly founded our nation is not a wise idea.
33 posted on 06/05/2007 12:47:49 PM PDT by unspun (What do you think? Please think, before you answer.)
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To: ishabibble

When I was a Girl Scout, I thought of it as a Native American thing.


34 posted on 06/05/2007 12:49:52 PM PDT by sarasota
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To: BGHater

EIN VOLK, EIN ISLAM, EIN ALLAH


35 posted on 06/05/2007 12:54:37 PM PDT by JEC ((Pray for ALL our troops))
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To: Squantos

More PC surrender crap.


36 posted on 06/05/2007 12:55:57 PM PDT by Covenantor ((Now we know how the Czechs felt after Chamberlain's 'deal'))
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To: BGHater
Must we raze all Christian Churches with outside crosses now to avoid giving offense?

We are slipping down the slope day by day now to a new age of martyrs. What will Christians do when God commands them to witness and Caesar commands them to be quiet and don’t be seen or heard?

Goodbye merrey old England. Hello . . . to what?

I was having a nice day, being a former Eagle Scout, and having had a good lunch, as we former Eagle Scouts tend to do, generally being employed, and suddenly I’m put in an apocalyptic mood. Or am I apoplectic? Regardless, this is dangerous, dangerous stuff when the Boy Scouts can't have a Christian chapel to pray in, because of offense.

37 posted on 06/05/2007 12:58:14 PM PDT by Greg F (<><)
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To: billbears
Really?!? Wow and this site only lists 113. And less than 3 percent of the entire population of the UK.

And how many were there twenty years ago?

Half as many?

A third as many?

38 posted on 06/05/2007 1:00:24 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("All the measures of the law should protect property and punish plunder." --Frederic Bastiat)
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To: BGHater

Fundamental atheists offend me.

Pray for W and Our Troops


39 posted on 06/05/2007 1:03:38 PM PDT by bray (The co-clintons freed more terrorists then they killed)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Apparently quite a few for a rather long time. The point is London is not being 'overrun' by mosques.
40 posted on 06/05/2007 1:07:03 PM PDT by billbears (Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it. --Santayana)
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To: BGHater

OMG!!! Evil.


41 posted on 06/05/2007 1:07:57 PM PDT by Suzy Quzy (Hillary '08...Her Phoniness is Genuine!!!)
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To: Suzy Quzy

Reverse this for a minute in your mind. A group of Muslim scouts built a small mosque in nature 70 years ago and it has been used by Muslim scouts ever since. It is torn down because it “gives offense.”


42 posted on 06/05/2007 1:14:25 PM PDT by Greg F (<><)
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To: Suzy Quzy

bump


43 posted on 06/05/2007 1:14:46 PM PDT by Greg F (<><)
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The Boyscouts have gotten lots of support over the years while they ere under seige from ACLU and the like. I think we need to let them know how we feel about this.


44 posted on 06/05/2007 1:16:54 PM PDT by dellbabe68
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My mistake; I assumed it was here in the US.


45 posted on 06/05/2007 1:18:07 PM PDT by dellbabe68
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To: dellbabe68

Yah, unfortunately it’s our cousins in England, and our fellow Christians, that are under siege. I don’t think we’ve fallen this far here in the U.S.A. . . . yet.


46 posted on 06/05/2007 1:23:53 PM PDT by Greg F (<><)
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To: robertpaulsen

If you served galumpkis you may never see you Italian dinner guests again.....

“If” the Scouts refuse to admit atheists/non Christians then so be it, it’s their organization they should be able to decide who they would like to have in it and who they would like to exclude.

For example, if your Italian friends have a “men’s club” like the Knights of Saint Columbus,if they don’t wish to give access to non Italians, what of it?

The thing that I do not understand is this view that all doors should be open to everyone at all times no matter what,lestways, someone somewhere gets offended...

WE can only control ourselves, we really cannot control the emotions of others,.


47 posted on 06/05/2007 1:27:16 PM PDT by padre35 (GWB chose Amnesty as his hill to die on, not Social Security reform.....that speaks much)
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To: BGHater
. . . you should have faith, but it's not important which one . . .

Sounds like the Democrats at the Sojourners/CNN forum.

48 posted on 06/05/2007 1:28:11 PM PDT by madprof98 ("moritur et ridet" - salvianus)
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To: billbears; Greg F
Apparently quite a few for a rather long time. The point is London is not being 'overrun' by mosques.

"Reverse this for a minute in your mind. A group of Muslim scouts built a small mosque in nature 70 years ago and it has been used by Muslim scouts ever since. It is torn down because it 'gives offense.'" --Greg F

Is Great Britain being overrun by woodland chapels?

49 posted on 06/05/2007 1:29:18 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("All the measures of the law should protect property and punish plunder." --Frederic Bastiat)
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To: Frapster
When I see statements like ‘whatever God that may be’ it tells me they’d already torn down the chapel in their hearts.

Scouting is non faith-specific and has been since its founding in 1910. When I was an assistant cubmaster a few years ago, our pack included two Jewish boys, one Buddhist boy, and Christian boys from literally a dozen different faiths, from Catholic to Mormon to Southern Baptist.

Scouting requires faith, and a belief in a religious tradition that punishes those who live lives of evil. Scouting does not, and never has, made any judgments about the individual faiths of its members. Atheists and agnostics are excluded because they have no faith. Wiccans are excluded because the moral relativism of their faith doesn't recognize the existence of good and evil. Satanists are excluded because their religion IS evil. Beyond that, the official stance of the BSA is that they don't care whether your goal is to touch the face of God, or to aspire to a better life in your next incarnation, so long as your religion promotes values that are good and encourage spiritual and personal development.

Lots of scouting groups ARE exclusively Christian, of course, but that has more to do with their location in an exclusively Christian area than any policy of scouting. I have to point out that, just a couple of years ago, everyone was making a big deal about the freedom the Iraqi Boy Scouts now have, and the fact that they can now organize openly and participate in international scouting events. Want to take any bets on their faith?
50 posted on 06/05/2007 1:32:08 PM PDT by Arthalion
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