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45-minute operation to restore sight to millions
Daily Mail ^ | 6th June 2007 | FIONA MACRAE

Posted on 06/05/2007 5:16:34 PM PDT by The Magical Mischief Tour

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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

If I were blind. I would have to turn this down. Restoration of a person’s sight by taking another’s life is not an option.


21 posted on 06/05/2007 7:35:30 PM PDT by BuffaloJack
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To: elizabetty

“Does that mean she is impregnated one second and has the child the next?”

Heck, I think I know some women who will claim I impregnated them before their child was even conceived.


22 posted on 06/05/2007 7:41:02 PM PDT by FastCoyote
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour
They sure make it sound like someone actually found the first cure to use embryonic stem cells. But then I read this paragraph:
Further evidence that the technique is likely to succeed comes from human operations. In these, the researchers restored vision using healthy cells taken from the corner of the patient's own eye.
Ah, not embryonic, that part is several years away, presumably if they can overcome the traditional ESC problems. I wonder if they have tried this with adult stem cells?
23 posted on 06/05/2007 8:14:27 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (Fred Thompson in 2008 - there is no doubt about it! [GWB has jumped the duck])
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To: HKMk23

“MORAL BANKRUPTCY BUMP

Benefitting the living with the blood of the slain.”

How did you arrive at that? There are many sources of stem cells that have nothing at all to do with fetuses.


24 posted on 06/05/2007 8:28:05 PM PDT by Pelham (theTerryAndersonShow.com)
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To: traviskicks; Coleus; Peach; airborne; Asphalt; Dr. Scarpetta; I'm ALL Right!; StAnDeliver; ...

At least the author of the story had the integrity to include the fact that immunosuppressant drugs are required for using ESCs.


25 posted on 06/05/2007 8:45:20 PM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: Pelham

Read the article next time.


26 posted on 06/05/2007 8:46:35 PM PDT by MHGinTN (You've had life support. Promote life support for others.)
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To: NicknamedBob

Apparently they have done this with adult stem cells from patients and had good results. Adult stem cell success stories don’t fit the MSM’s filters.


27 posted on 06/05/2007 8:52:57 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man
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To: Pelham
There are many sources of stem cells that have nothing at all to do with fetuses.

True, but, from the article:
"The treatment centres on human embryonic stem cells grown in a laboratory."

The research cell population being used had its genesis in the murder of an innocent, unborn human child. I cannot condone that. Killing one to benefit others? One who cannot choose, to gratify the wants of those who can? Hello, Dr. Mengele? No. Not today, not ever.

There is NO conscionable equivocation for murder.

Now, if you want to do the SAME research using ADULT stem cells -- NOW we're in an entirely different moral universe; one that doesn't require murder. I would bet that this same therapy would be equally successful using adult stem cells or stem cells taken from umbilical cord blood collected postpartum. Both have already shown far greater promise than the highly-touted, and blood-stained embryonic stem cells.

28 posted on 06/05/2007 9:57:37 PM PDT by HKMk23 (Nine out of ten orcs attacking Rohan were Saruman's Uruk-hai, not Sauron's! So, why invade Mordor?)
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To: Secret Agent Man; MHGinTN

The Sorcerer’s Apprentice is slow to learn that Magic has its own rules.

Embryonic stem cells are plenipotent. Their programming tells them to grow all the organs and tissues of a human body. When researchers plant them in a fertile location, they follow the chemical signals as best they can, but they tend to act like any other freshly planted seed.

Adult stem cells are many times removed from this potency. They act like a younger version of the same kind of tissue. If adult stem cells are harvested from the patient himself, and developed along the lines needed for the patient’s problem, their use is no more unethical than having a patient exercise to become more healthy.

It isn’t the money alone that is pushing these researchers to follow such an inherently frustrating path. The use of homologous treatments is automatically more time consuming and expensive.

Another factor that drives their quest is their need to solve the mystery. How to control the program steps. How to deceive the embryonic stem cell into giving up its insatiable drive and internal need.

They are a very long way from understanding these things, but they know it can be unraveled. No matter the pain, no matter the expense or the oprobrium. It is why they became Sorcerer’s Apprentices in the first place.

They want to do Magic.


29 posted on 06/05/2007 10:05:11 PM PDT by NicknamedBob (My Bumper Sticker ==> "Hang on! My other cell phone is ringing.")
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Back when the president allowed only the ESC lines already in existence to receive federal dollars, I wrote an essay at FR trying to explain to readers what the goal of using those ESC would be.

Understanding how totipotent stem cells limit to become pluripotent stem cells, then multipotent stem cells (a process identified by methylation on the DNA chains) is the holy grail only if the process may be understood so well that the steps may be reversed, to allow stem cells from a patient to be directed back to pluripotency or multipotency of specific tissue lines. Truly, the sorcerer’s approach.

30 posted on 06/05/2007 10:15:24 PM PDT by MHGinTN (od a)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour; 2ndMostConservativeBrdMember; afraidfortherepublic; Alas; al_c; ...

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31 posted on 06/06/2007 8:26:13 PM PDT by Coleus (Woe unto him that call evil good and good evil"-- Isaiah 5:20-21)
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To: HKMk23

As I understand it, there are also umbilical stem cells that could be used. NONE of this REQUIRES a dead baby to do...


32 posted on 06/06/2007 9:12:14 PM PDT by dcwusmc (We need to make government so small that it can be drowned in a bathtub.)
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To: HKMk23

Oops. Posted before I finished reading your post....


33 posted on 06/06/2007 9:13:20 PM PDT by dcwusmc (We need to make government so small that it can be drowned in a bathtub.)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

What we need right now is a way to restore eyesight and hearing to the Senate, they apparently are deaf, dumb and blind.


34 posted on 06/06/2007 9:18:55 PM PDT by rolling_stone (sOME)
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To: MHGinTN

Did you run out of neighbors to annoy today?


35 posted on 06/06/2007 9:37:28 PM PDT by Pelham (theTerryAndersonShow.com)
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To: Pelham

Nice try, but amateurish.


36 posted on 06/06/2007 9:57:01 PM PDT by MHGinTN (You've had life support. Promote life support for those in the womb.)
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To: PAR35

Excellent critical reading of the article. I thought the same thing — this is BS if they are 5 years from the first surgery.

My mother is almost 94 and many of her friends are suffering from macular degeneration. They’d all vote for anyone who promised a cure.But, how can you promise a cure if they will not even have the first surgery for 5 yeras? I hate non-articles like this.


37 posted on 06/07/2007 7:35:46 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: BuffaloJack
I am partially blind and not for one second would I consider it. There is hope, but that hope is reserved for the science that uses one own stem cells. Life with immune suppression drugs ain’t no bowl of cherries!
38 posted on 06/07/2007 2:53:49 PM PDT by pepperdog
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

praise the Lord!


39 posted on 06/07/2007 6:18:08 PM PDT by MountainFlower (There but by the grace of God go I.)
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