Posted on 06/07/2007 7:11:57 PM PDT by rob21
And "Shortstop7" can't come up with a coherent articulate argument in this debate. All he/she/it can do is call names. Embarrassing.
“You are in fact typical of the hysterical anti-immigration reform fanactics we see on these boards.”
The bill behind all of this may be referred to as immigration reform, but it does no such thing. It stabs legal immigrants in the back, while putting the immigration laws in a position to make people believe that if they break the law to get here, or break the law by staying here that they will not receive punishment significant enough to deter them.
But it goes farther than that. Many here in this country who have broken any law will start demanding they not have to pay a price for breaking the law. It will start off with people thinking they should not have to pay parking tickets etc, then it will escalate, then escalate more and more and finally, those who rape, rob and kill will be demanding they not have to pay the price for their crimes also.
We already have many who think that a person who takes the life of another should not have to pay with their life. We already have many courts who are sentencing murderers to 8 years in prison. The enforcement of our laws are already being slowly erroded.
Oh no. A troll! I should be ashamed of myself for playing with such weak opponent as the Pestronski. I'm trying not to laugh too hard.
What are you talking about? Several of us have talked about the illegals, expired visas, etc.
Either you don’t read the answers, or you just choose to ignore them.
Juan was wrong, and looked like a blithering idiot.
They clearly entered the country fraudulently. They had no intention of complying with their visa requirements.
Saying that the government screwed up in maintaining visibility and control of people ILLEGALLY overstaying their visas does not make it right for the government to overlook others ILLEGALLY sneaking across the border. Its all one screwed up government mess and us citizens are going to pay a price for it.
Jorga you are gordo dumb and happy.
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According to the San Diego Union-Tribune, hours after the 9-11 attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, an anonymous caller led Mexican immigration agents to 41 undocumented Iraqis waiting to cross into the United States.
The Associated Press reported that Mexican immigration police detained 13 citizens of Yemen on Sept. 24, 2001, who were reportedly waiting to cross the border into Arizona. The Yemenis were arrested Sunday in Agua Prieta, across the border from Douglas. Luis Teran Balaguer, assistant head of immigration in the northern state of Sonora, said, “The evidence indicates that they have nothing to do with terrorist activities.”
http://www.warriorsfortruth.com/borderillegals.html
Mara Salvatrucha, also commonly known as ‘MS-13’ due to its members’ proclivity for sporting tattoos of the number 13, is involved in a smorgasbord of illegal activity, including the smuggling of drugs, weapons and people across the Mexican border. The gang controls many of the smuggling routes from Mexico into the U.S., a fact that has not escaped Al-Qaeda operatives eager to carry out attacks on American soil.
In July, Adnan El-Shukrijumah, a high-ranking Al-Qaeda leader and one of the most wanted terrorists in the world, was spotted in Honduras meeting with members of MS-13. Attorney General John Ashcroft has said that El-Shukrijumah, who he has described as a ‘clear and present danger to America,’ is seeking ways to infiltrate the U.S. via the Mexican border, and is willing to pay top dollar in order to do so.
http://www.frontpagemagazine.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=16509
Illegals from terrorist nations are crossing the border into Arizona.
Tom McNamara and the Eyewitness News 4 Investigators have spent the last three months talking to experts and eyewitnesses.
The stories are compelling and the evidence is frightening, and just this week, Colorado Congressman Tom Tancredo released a report showing that the problem is worse than anyone thought.
Here’s what the Eyewitness News 4 Investigators uncovered.
“It’s a Muslim prayer blanket. It was found about a mile and a half west from the Douglas port of entry in 2001.”
Larry Vance is a rancher who lives near the U.S.-Mexico border in Douglas, Arizona.
For years, he says he’s watched - and documented - thousands of illegals crossing the border and running away to eventual arrest... or freedom and anonymity somewhere in this country.
And in just one hour, during this stake-out along the border between Douglas and b\Bisbee, The Investigators count 198 illegals in five different groups crossing into the U.S. with no resistance.
Watch as they huddle in the bushes, then climb thru a few strands of barbed wire and run for freedom.
We called Border Patrol and waited another full hour, but no one ever came.
Later, we checked Border Patrol logs which note agents being dispatched following our call, but also note those agents found no signs of activity in the area.
In recent years, Vance says, the evidence some illegals leave behind is alarming.
Vance says, “Other log books, diary-type things, other bits and pieces of paper with Arabic written on them found in the area over the last few years
We’ve all heard of the U.S. government’s Terror Watch List: countries flagged because Americans are endangered by their citizens, yet regularly, illegals from those countries are crossing the Arizona border, blending in with groups of Mexican and South American illegal immigrants.
http://www.kvoa.com/Global/story.asp?S=2172749
Yaaawwwwnnnn.
You need to shriek "Liar! Liar!" a few more times. LOL.
You wouldn't know the truth if it hit you in the face.
Untrue. It is about a whole host of people who enter the country illegally some of whom, AND OF HIGHEST CONCERN, mean to do us harm.
Shortstop7 is an idiot! Shortstop idiot! Shortiot! Stop!
Troll on, whore-hay.
That's NOT a denial, liar.
But neither should you mischaracterize other people's arguments by saying our concerns are only related to illegal crossings of the Mexican border.
Now you're asking too much :)
Heh. Never did change his lie, did he?
Tsk tsk.
"Troll! Whore-hay! Liar!"
I don't have to say a word. Just let Pestronski continue to degrade itself with it's namecalling invective.
If I didn't have Pestronski to entertain me I don't know what I would do!
That's only part of the debate. Another part is about those who don't leave when they are legally required to do so.
But you knew that.
I still miss Tommy Smothers, though.
I love it. Keep showing the right side of your face.
We see what you are about.
Reading this thread...
Am I the only one who finds it interesting that the biggest booster for “security” as a reason to not question W or Giuliani are the same ones in favor of not enforcing the border?
It gets worse.....30 million illegals with voting rights trumps all other third parties.
Here illegally. Their visas had expired.
I accuse myself of being anti-me.
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