Posted on 06/08/2007 4:34:04 PM PDT by Loud Mime
I have a good idea Hunter can do...
Declare a state of emergency for the southern border states, BUT invoke the Riot Act, calling for militias to get rid of the illegals.
You’ll see an unimaginable migration of people, Americans and not, moving towards the southern border. The Americans, armed and angry to keep a sharp eye over the border, herding those illegal back across.
It’s quite simple IMO. Both Republicans and Dems are pandering for future voters. They think by appearing to be kind gringos they will tap into the one of the largest growing groups of voters (and future voters).
Bush blew this big time. He should have came out in force for Phase I - secure the border - rallied the conservative base. Then work out a separate Phase II bill to deal with illegals already here. Plan would have no guest worker and a process for illegals to become legal if they went home and applied there and got in line with everyone else but no special deal for them. Illegals would not go for it even if it passed. Dems would not have gone for the bill and claimed it was farce (which it was) so it would have died. But Bush could have claimed to have been sympathetic to the Latino’s plight and blamed defeat on dems etc. In other words Bush could have first secured the border, rallied the base and then played politics with the rest of the issue splitting the dems in the process instead of the reverse happening.
But he didn't do it because he wrongly believes pandering to this voter block is smart for Republicans, his compassionate conservative weird beliefs and family connections etc That’s my take.
This is awesome. Yes. I absolutely think that a State would be able to bring a suit against the U.S. government on this basis.
They could care less what the voters think, except at electin time when they will lie to you just to get your vote then screw you again.
Forget the states. How about a class action law suit by the people?
My theory is that the reason that multiple Presidents have allowed Mexicans to walk across the border is that they are releasing the pressure on the Mexican government...but not just to be nice.
The reason is (IMO) that American Presidents are afraid that if they close the border, the poor, hopeless masses of Mexicans will make Mexico a Socialist country...either through an open revolt, or just by voting for a Socialist. Think of a Chavez type as Mexico’s president. I think our government wants to avoid that kind of situation...
Be gentle...these are just the musings of someone who lived through the Cold War....
I think you would have to tailor your suit similar to how the enviro’s sue the EPA, and other “interest groups” sue the government. I think you would have to sue the Border Patrol, not Congress.
you can sue the gubmint
why not ask for the whole shooting match-no ID theft prosecutions, no fraud prosecutions, no forgery prosecutions. Equal protection don’t you know.
Great post. ping.
The backers of a pan global, super sovereign state believe they need to diminish the United States in relation to other countries so that the idea of giving up sovereignty seems more palatable to citizens who perceive that they exist on the same level as most other countries rather than on a superior level.
Just such a divergence of beliefs exists in relation to immigration. One worlders want to reduce the level of European identification in Americans. A people who identify with Greek ideals, Roman statecraft, westernized Christianity, classical art, and European style empire building in the pursuit of trade, can hardly be expected to have any interest in sacrificing their hard won constitutional sovereignty, complete with a bill of rights, checks and balances, an independent judiciary, and the most powerful military in the world.
This generalized feeling of the superiority of Western traditions can be diminished with a massive infusion of non-Europeans into the U.S. hence the divergence by Bush from the more conservative ideas of preserving national borders and maintaining the rule of law.
In the long run the new world order will win out. The trend of history is in the direction of increasingly consolidated power. Americans need to refuse to go along with any model that subverts constitutional limitations on the power of government. On a positive note, when nations pass sovereignty on to a higher level they give up the power to make war on one another and the reduced function of borders will enhance trade and cultural interchange.
Exactly. Everyone contribute $100.
Amen to that! And this from a loyal (formerly loyal) Bush supporter.
Winner.
That is exactly the point! If the prior laws have not been enforced, why should we, the people, believe any new laws would be enforced! There’s no credibility! At all!
“It is well known that if we start doing this legally...”
This would seem a good start....
http://www.articlev.com/repeal17.htm
They’re doing to to ward off inflation and keep prices low for everyday Americans.”
Bullsh!t
IF you get the goobermint's permission to sue the goobermint.
Even then you are up against an organization that prints its own money, buys ink by the tanker car full and writes its own laws.
Individual goobermint employees are protected by 'sovereign immunity', and congress critters have additional Constitutional protections. For example, they can't be even arrested while congress is in session (...in all Cases except for Treason, Felony and Breach of the Peace -Article 1 Section 6)
Congress has also voted itself unequal protection under the law. It is a mandatory death penalty to kill a congresscritter, anyone who murders one of us peons risks an average sentence of only 7 years.
The only real power we have is the ballot box. And our 'betters' insure that only people they approve of (translation: that they own) get onto the major parties' ballots.
Oh, and guess who counts the votes?...
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