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BIG OIL VS. LITTLE SCOOTER (Reinhard)
The Oregonian ^ | June 10, 2007 | David Reinhard

Posted on 06/10/2007 9:49:18 AM PDT by jazusamo

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To: SAJ

Thanks, SAJ. I don’t know where I got the idea it was higher.


21 posted on 06/10/2007 10:31:54 AM PDT by jazusamo (http://warchronicle.com/TheyAreNotKillers/DefendOurMarines.htm)
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FINDING DEAL$ ON GA$OLINE:
(A work in progress. Please FReepmail other suggestions)


12 Month National Average for Regular Unleaded by AAA.com


Gas prices could fall with a TAX CUT, too!


22 posted on 06/10/2007 10:33:03 AM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: jazusamo

Several FReepers have a graphic of state motor fuel tax rates that gets posted fr/time to time. Next time I see it, I’ll send it off to you


23 posted on 06/10/2007 10:35:26 AM PDT by SAJ (debunking myths about markets and prices on FR since 2001)
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To: MNJohnnie
Still waiting for someone to explain to me how a “Weak dollar” has any effect on the price of oil.

It has to do with the exchange rate. It now takes more dollars to buy the same goods from foreign sources. This added cost is reflected at the pump.

Let's take Shell (Dutch owned) as an example. They buy oil from the Saudi's in Euro's, they sell the oil to the US in dollars.

In 2000, one euro was worth about $0.85, now that same euro costs about $1.30. The price to Shell remains the same, but in terms of the US 'cost' the cost has gone up considerably.

24 posted on 06/10/2007 10:40:21 AM PDT by Michael.SF. ("The military Mission has long since been accomplished" -- Harry Reid, April 23, 2007)
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To: ridesthemiles
"hey are the biggest influence on the price per barrel, IMO. They are getting VERY rich, and they are laughing at us."

Not near so much as "big taxes" are. The truth is, politicians are just putting on a show pretending to care about fuel prices. The amount of money flowing into government coffers from taxes is even beyond a democrats wet dreams. But you won't hear politicians talk about rolling back taxes so to cap revenues. A proper sliding tax formula based on lets say a base price of $1 a gallon, should see tax percentages decrease as gas prices rize so as to keep a cap on tax revenues.

This would drastically lessen the impact of flutuating barrel prices on the consumer AND more importantly, our entire economy.

Wishfull thinking however. The government cares about niether, only about how much more money they can spend, pack pork onto bills which enrich their political donators.

25 posted on 06/10/2007 10:43:13 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: jazusamo
Big Oil vs. Little Scooter

What is the reference to "Scooter" in that headline? (Apparently not "Scooter" Libby, which is what I was thinking when I first saw it.)

26 posted on 06/10/2007 10:43:38 AM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: Asclepius

Only problem. Isn’t the Oil market traded in dollars? Aren’t you trading thumb tacks for well.... different colored thumb tacks? I understand how the market works if, for example, I go with a bunch of dollars to say England. I have to convert them to Pounds at a fixed exchange rate. Do not get how a comity traded in dollars is effected.


27 posted on 06/10/2007 10:44:12 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (If you will try being smarter, I will try being nicer.)
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To: justiceseeker93

I think it’s a referrence to his “my TNG Milano 49” analogy he used in the piece.


28 posted on 06/10/2007 10:48:57 AM PDT by jazusamo (http://warchronicle.com/TheyAreNotKillers/DefendOurMarines.htm)
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To: Michael.SF.
Ah so the Oil is not traded in dollars. Thank you.

But how does that effect the US Market? We only get about 18% of our Oil from Saudi Arabia. We get the bulk of our oil either from ourselves or from Canada and Mexico.

Since neither the Canadian dollar nor the Peso is doing so well as the Euro against the dollar, that means the Saudi oil is pricey but the bulk of of our oil is not as pricey. In fact, it should make the domestic and near domestic source considerable cheaper then the imported oil. If anything, it should be pricing the Saudi Oil off the market.

29 posted on 06/10/2007 10:49:07 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (If you will try being smarter, I will try being nicer.)
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To: Nathan Zachary
The amount of money flowing into government coffers from taxes is even beyond a democrats wet dreams.

At $0.184 dollars per gallon and 375 million gallons per day consumed (or purchased) the government take is about 69 million per day or over 25 billion per year.

30 posted on 06/10/2007 10:53:01 AM PDT by Michael.SF. ("The military Mission has long since been accomplished" -- Harry Reid, April 23, 2007)
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To: MNJohnnie
I was using Saudi oil as the standard, but the same principles apply. You mentioned Canada, early last year the Canadian dollar was at $0.75 US dollars per Canadian dollar. Today it is at about 0.92, over a 20% increase in direct costs to the dollar.

Our dollar is weak, so it costs us more to buy the same goods. The people that benefit from this though is the US tourist industry. Look at it this way:

A hotel in NYC charges $175.00 a night. In 2000 that hotel cost a European $230.00 euro's to stay there. Today that same hotel costs (assume room rate as constant) 135.00 euro.

That is how weak the dollar is today.

31 posted on 06/10/2007 11:00:06 AM PDT by Michael.SF. ("The military Mission has long since been accomplished" -- Harry Reid, April 23, 2007)
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To: MNJohnnie
Canadian and Mexican oil is bought in USD.
The base formula for trade on world oil markets is based on the USD, so shell buying oil from Saudi’s with Euro’s is irrelevant. They don't substitute Euro's for dollars 1/1. It's converted according to the way all curency is converted. Now, there is a push for ME oil (Iran specifically) to trade in Euro's, making the Euro the standard of world markets trade.

THAT would have an effect on the USD eventually. But it will also be damaging to the Europeon economy, making their goods too expensive to import. So it works both ways. A weak USD would be more competitive and benefit exporters of American goods, while it hurts importers of Europeon goods, reduces our buying power. An example of the pros and cons can be seen in the Canadian dollar market right now, where the canuck buck is near par with the USD. It's damaging to exporters of Canadian goods into the USA, because they aren't as competitive with American manufacurers as they were when the canuk buck was around 70 cents. On the otherhand, they are making a killing on oil and gas.

32 posted on 06/10/2007 11:06:11 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Michael.SF.
"375 million gallons per day consumed (or purchased)"

That seems like an awfully low number. Another thing is, the government dips into the oil well many times before pump taxes are taken. They take a cut at the well, then sip from the bucket as it's carried to it's final destination, the holding tanks at the gas station. Those are hidden taxes, which the final pump tax taxes again. Now they want to add a carbon tax along that route as well.

33 posted on 06/10/2007 11:15:50 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Nathan Zachary
I did not spend a lot of time on the research, to be honest, so the number may be incorrect or dated. But 375 million gallons per day of gasoline consumed, does not seem that low to me.

You are right though, there are many other hidden taxes that the calculation I did does not account for.

34 posted on 06/10/2007 11:23:16 AM PDT by Michael.SF. ("The military Mission has long since been accomplished" -- Harry Reid, April 23, 2007)
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To: Michael.SF.
Plus lets not forget all the other taxes the government takes, such as the tax on fuel trucks delivering pipes to oil fields, taxes on wages oil workers make, land use taxes, aggregate taxes, environmental taxes, road levy taxes, tire taxes on the tires the trucks delivering supplies to the oil fields, taxes on ALL supplies used in the oil industry, corporate taxes, taxes on that cup of coffee and dough nuts oil workers stop for at coffee break time...

It’s all passed right back to the consumer who buys that gallon of gas. Much more tax is taken than the final 18 cents at the pump.

35 posted on 06/10/2007 11:28:20 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: jazusamo
LOL

“Scooter Nation” is pertty much a chick thing (Dont know how gay it is) see:
http://www.denverpost.com/entertainment/ci_4113101

Popular resurgence sees
Wasps (Vespa)
http://www.vespausa.com/products/index.cfm
with classics being rebuilt for major $

And what this cat rides
http://www.tngscooters.com/default.aspx
--now, that looks so....well, you know..

gay

36 posted on 06/10/2007 11:32:42 AM PDT by ASOC (Yeah, well, maybe - but can you *prove* it?)
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To: ASOC

Sorry, strike the word “gay”

change to “Effeminante”

as in
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effeminacy


37 posted on 06/10/2007 11:34:33 AM PDT by ASOC (Yeah, well, maybe - but can you *prove* it?)
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To: Nathan Zachary
It's converted according to the way all curency is converted.

The net effect of the weak dollar is a higher price at the pump. Yes, there are many other factors, but the dollars fluctuation is not "irrelevant" in a world traded commodity.

38 posted on 06/10/2007 11:35:59 AM PDT by Michael.SF. ("The military Mission has long since been accomplished" -- Harry Reid, April 23, 2007)
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To: ASOC

LOL! I think you’re right, it went right over my head. I think he dinged the gay crowd.


39 posted on 06/10/2007 11:39:53 AM PDT by jazusamo (http://warchronicle.com/TheyAreNotKillers/DefendOurMarines.htm)
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To: Michael.SF.
" But 375 million gallons per day of gasoline consumed, does not seem that low to me."

That's a little over a gallon per person. Now everyone doen't drive cars, but those that do, lets say 25% of the population, even less, would have a very hard time getting by on 3 gallons of gas per day on a normal work day.
Heck, I've burned a gallon in the lawnmower already today, and I'm only 1/4 ways done. I'm going to have to drive to town and fill up my gas can, which will burn another 5 gallons just driving there and back. (60 miles) Maybe I'll just siphon some out of the tank instead... But, I'm low on beer. Ahh the dilemma's life tosses at me...

40 posted on 06/10/2007 11:40:53 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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