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BIG OIL VS. LITTLE SCOOTER (Reinhard)
The Oregonian ^ | June 10, 2007 | David Reinhard

Posted on 06/10/2007 9:49:18 AM PDT by jazusamo

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To: Nathan Zachary
OK.

I will look forward to seeing your link that has a more accurate number.

41 posted on 06/10/2007 11:47:23 AM PDT by Michael.SF. ("The military Mission has long since been accomplished" -- Harry Reid, April 23, 2007)
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To: Michael.SF.
"The net effect of the weak dollar is a higher price at the pump. Yes, there are many other factors, but the dollars fluctuation is not "irrelevant" in a world traded commodity."

World trade on oil barrel prices is in USD. It is what it is at closing bell.
If shell in Norway or where ever wants to pay for it in Euro's, big deal, it doesn't effect our pump price. just the barrel price which is in USD does.

Now, as I mentioned, IF oil was traded on the world market in Euro's, that would have an effect on our dollar, because it would no longer be the world standard for trade. It would probably slip, and the euro would climb, which has both pro's and cons for them, just as a low dollar would have pro's and cons for us.

42 posted on 06/10/2007 11:56:18 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Nathan Zachary
World trade on oil barrel prices is in USD. It is what it is at closing bell.

And the change in the cost of a barrell of oil has been inversely related to the change in the value of the dollar, yes?

Oil has been increasing in cost, as the value of the dollar has declined. That has been one factor (of many) in the high cost we see today.

43 posted on 06/10/2007 12:03:01 PM PDT by Michael.SF. ("The military Mission has long since been accomplished" -- Harry Reid, April 23, 2007)
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To: Michael.SF.
" I will look forward to seeing your link that has a more accurate number."

Well, if you consider that we get 800 million barrels of oil a day from Alberta alone, even if only one gallon of gas is extracted per barrel,(a very conservative figure) that already more than doubles that figure you gave. Add up our total daily imports, and you'll get a better number. since they claim our refineries are running at peak, we are using almost all of it a day. The point was and is, the government is raking in a lot more than they want us to know.

44 posted on 06/10/2007 12:10:41 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Nathan Zachary
Well, if you consider that we get 800 million barrels of oil a day from Alberta alone

800 million barrels a day is about 10 times total global oil production.

45 posted on 06/10/2007 12:20:09 PM PDT by CGTRWK
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To: Nathan Zachary
Well, if you consider that we get 800 million barrels of oil a day from Alberta alone

Here is some data: oil imports to the USA.

It does not appear to come close to your conclusions. I will look forward to seeing your links that either refute mine, or support yours.

We do agree though that the government is the one reaping the lions share of the proceeds. We are just quibbling on how big that share is.

46 posted on 06/10/2007 12:20:36 PM PDT by Michael.SF. ("The military Mission has long since been accomplished" -- Harry Reid, April 23, 2007)
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To: Michael.SF.
" And the change in the cost of a barrell of oil has been inversely related to the change in the value of the dollar, yes?< Oil has been increasing in cost, as the value of the dollar has declined. That has been one factor (of many) in the high cost we see today.

well yes, is a very small way. You are talking small change, pennies per barrel if the dollar happens to trade a 1/10 of a cent lower that day.

What has been driving up world oil prices is not the strength of our dollar, it's speculation on the trading floor over terrorist threats, supply problems (regulation by opec), next years weather forcast, anthing they can use as an excuse to drive up prices to make a buck.

The actual cost of producing oil hasn't gone up much at all from when barrel prices were in the 25$ range. It's all a rip off as far as I'm concerned.

47 posted on 06/10/2007 12:21:28 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: ridesthemiles

Set up an account with a futures broker and start raking in the cash.


48 posted on 06/10/2007 12:26:19 PM PDT by jwh_Denver (Press 1 for English. Not me, I press 2 and say I can't speak Spanish.)
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To: Michael.SF.
yea, I think it was 800 thousand barrels, not million from Alta. my bad.

Still, if you want to sit down and figure out total imports, find the total amount of gas/diesel made from the crude, then you will be able to guesstimate average daily consuption. There's no way I believe the 375 million gallon number. Maybe thats what the airline industry alone burns. (or Nazi Pelosi burns flying back and forth to washington)

49 posted on 06/10/2007 12:32:02 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: jwh_Denver
"Set up an account with a futures broker and start raking in the cash."

Now your thinking... If you can't beat 'em, join 'em. That's what I do. There's still good money to be made there.

50 posted on 06/10/2007 12:35:58 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: jazusamo
"One of the problems with the energy business is that people don't appreciate the scale (of production and delivery), so the scale of change is very large, " he said. "The traditional sources are still going to be very important."

EXACTLY!! (Yes, I AM shouting!)

The moron liberals who suffer from the delusion that they can power their homes with lawn clippings harvested with a push mower are insane. Beyond insane.

This point needs to be shouted from the rooftops every five minutes until the whole world realizes the truth. The world needs huge amounts of energy, and that won't change dramatically without economic collapse or a miraculous new energy source.

I say we invest in the latter. Liberal / socialists would love the former, as it would empower them permanently, much like it did in the 1917 Russia, and the 1930's in the US and Germany.

51 posted on 06/10/2007 12:51:27 PM PDT by Hardastarboard (DemocraticUnderground.com is an internet hate site.)
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To: Michael.SF.
" It does not appear to come close to your conclusions.

From the article:

March 2007 Import Highlights: Released on May 30, 2007
Monthly data on the origins of crude oil imports in March 2007 has been released and it shows that four countries have each exported more than 1.10 million barrels per day to the United States. Including those countries, a total of five countries exported over 1.00 million barrels per day of crude oil to the United States, accounting for 67 percent of United States daily imports.

5 million barrels per day. plus another 30% roughly (33%) from elsewhere or about 3.3 million barrels per day for a total of 8.3 million barrels per day according to this article. How much of that is cracked into fuel? 42-gallon barrel of oil makes about 19.5 gallons of gasoline.

(I don't know if that includes diesel or not) so, we can take 8.3 million x's 19.5= 356.85 million gallons per day. So, it seems that figure is close after all, but may or may not include kerosene/diesel. Ther ya go.

52 posted on 06/10/2007 12:53:37 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Hardastarboard
The moron liberals who suffer from the delusion that they can power their homes with lawn clippings

You are justified in shouting but even that won't get the attention of most.

The only exception I take with your statement is that most moron liberals don't want to power their homes like that, they want everyone else to. They are first rate hypocrites.

53 posted on 06/10/2007 12:59:52 PM PDT by jazusamo (http://warchronicle.com/TheyAreNotKillers/DefendOurMarines.htm)
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To: Nathan Zachary
Still, if you want to sit down and figure out total imports, find the total amount of gas/diesel made from the crude, then you will be able to guesstimate average daily consuption.

From the link I provided above: Total crude oil imports averaged 10.348 million barrels per day in March, which is an increase of 1.299 million barrels per day from February 2007.

a refinery makes about 19.5 gallons of gas from each Barrell of oil. therefore we get, 25,330,000 gallons of gas per day from imported oil.

That does not sound right, and should be much higher (logically speaking).

54 posted on 06/10/2007 1:00:09 PM PDT by Michael.SF. ("The military Mission has long since been accomplished" -- Harry Reid, April 23, 2007)
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To: Asclepius

I take it you are working in Van?
How did you swing that?
I visit often, great city.


55 posted on 06/10/2007 1:00:19 PM PDT by BlackJack (Yogi Berra: " Sometimes you can observe a lot just by watching!")
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To: jazusamo
most moron liberals don't want to power their homes like that, they want everyone else to.

I will grant your point, and a good one it is.

56 posted on 06/10/2007 1:00:47 PM PDT by Hardastarboard (DemocraticUnderground.com is an internet hate site.)
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To: MNJohnnie
How does a "Weak dollar" have anything at all to do with the price of oil?

I would say it has something to do with most of our oil being imported. A weak dollar makes all imports more expensive.

Additionally, most oil on the global market is priced in dollars, yet producers tend to buy things in other currencies like the euro. Perhaps you can see how that upsets oil producers. OPEC and others tend to hold back supply when the dollar is weak. That was true in the 1970's and that's true now.

57 posted on 06/10/2007 3:20:43 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: Nathan Zachary

Geez, I’m talking to a capitalist? Happy Hunting and may your shots be straight up.


58 posted on 06/10/2007 3:24:00 PM PDT by jwh_Denver (Press 1 for English. Not me, I press 2 and say I can't speak Spanish.)
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To: BlackJack
I take it you are working in Van?
Victoria - he's working in Victoria.

Clue: His home page: "U.S. citizen teaching in a university on an island on the furthest end of Canada. "

I just came from that part of the world (Van BC) Saturday - beautiful place ...

59 posted on 06/10/2007 4:08:52 PM PDT by _Jim (Highly recommended book on the Kennedy assassination - Posner: "Case Closed")
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To: ridesthemiles

You still have a liberal streak in ya’...quit yer bitchin’ and start investing...stop your yammering because you can’t, won’t or aren’t smart enough to play the futures market...IF IT IS SO DAMN obvious to YOU( it must be because you told each and everyone of us the evil money making FACTS in your post) to make a profit...why don’t ‘cha participate...why don’t you “take the gamble” or is it too risky for YOU and only a “perfect play” for evil people who make money?????


60 posted on 06/10/2007 4:23:43 PM PDT by antivenom (If you're not living on the edge, you're taking up too much damn space!)
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