Science Becoming a Religion

Telegraph ^ | June 10, 2007 | ReasonMcLucus

[Coyoteman]

You use the tools of God and deny His very existence. You dig in His earth, eat His fruit/herbs/vegatables/meat/fish/grain He provided, you breathe His air, you expect his law of gravity to keep you grounded, and you marvel at 'your findings' - yet deny The Creator of it all.

One man's theology is another man's belly laugh.

Robert A. Heinlein, Time Enough for Love, 1973

[ahayes]

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[SunkenCiv]

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One man's theology is another man's belly laugh. Robert A. Heinlein, Time Enough for Love, 1973

As usual, coyoteman, you use 'man' to tell you how to think and respond. It exposes low thinking and lack.

Just to prevent you from busting your gut from laughter, it's not 'my theology', it's God's Word. Like you quote 'man's' word as true, I quote the Supernatural God's Word as true. Man is my equal - I cannot learn from man on what they didn't create - only their opinion. Since everyone has an opinion, they are a dime a dozen, thus, valueless when it comes to truth.

God's truths reigns and will never change. He is Supernatural. He is the same yesterday, today and forever - totally unlike man. If I didn't know God, I'd be just as ignorant as you and rely on lowly man for 'their' truth - and that's desperation.

Now enjoy your day and night - enjoy the air/oxygen we need to exist, the sun, stars, clouds, rain, water, food, trees, beaches, 'your' findings that Our God created for His Glory and our enjoyment and need. Without the life He gave you, you couldn't enjoy any of it. This earth can't give you anything of value that God didn't create first.

Be careful of what you laugh at (because 'man' said it was ok) it might come back and bite you where and when you least expect. There is always an opposite effect.

[editor-surveyor]

"science can so observe some aspects of the distant past. Light has a speed. Light from far away started long ago."

You lack understanding of basic cosmology.

When God expanded the universe (as a 'white hole') he expanded time along with it. The simpleton's assumption that light from distant sources took a long time getting here disregards General Relativity completely. Read Dr. D. Russel Humphreys' "Starlight and Time" (or view the video if you're too poor a reader) to get an understanding of what really happened, and why the universe appears vastly older than it is to the uninformed.

For those that have a grasp of math, the book contains the equations that prove the model beyond the level to which the 'big bang' is cobbled together. That the universe has expanded is a known fact, and so is the expansion of time. Get educated, and don't be propagandized by those anxious to take advantage of your ignorance.

[editor-surveyor]

"Evolution is real science."

Evolution is nothing but religiously protected dogma. Our taxes are used to protect evolution's dogma from exposure. That is all the fight is about.

[metmom]

You’ve just replaced God with science. You still have faith the system works and trust practitioners of it. It’s just a different object of devotion.

[Alamo-Girl]

Thanks for the ping!

[metmom]

Scripture states that God stretched out the heavens like a curtain.

At a much later date, science came to the conclusion that the universe expanded.

Interesting that science eventually comes to the same conclusions that Scripture has stated thousands of years before, and scientists fight if kicking and screaming.

[rickdylan]

You’ve got it about evolution. The the entire thing about black holes, white holes, dark matter, dark energy, relativistic time and everything else is basically munged just about as badly as evolution. All of the major untestable theories in science are going to have to be redone.

[editor-surveyor]

"Dogma: a religious doctrine that is proclaimed as true without evidence."

There is evolution. Of course, it requires billions of tax dollars to keep this religion alive, since most people are intelligent enough to see through it.

[ffusco]

Observe the fossil record and posit theories about how these organizms lived and died,their diet, environment, social structure, culture.

[editor-surveyor]

Humphreys’ model is not untestable. It stands up to all observations without any need for things that have not been observed, like dark matter. It also has no argument with any part of God’s word.

[editor-surveyor]

"Observe the fossil record and posit theories about how these organizms lived and died,their diet, environment, social structure, culture"

Oh he will! He'll post a jillion links to bafflegab that only a fool like himself would bother to read, just to have company in his confusion and darkness.

[metmom]

Of course, it requires billions of tax dollars to keep this religion alive, since most people are intelligent enough to see through it.

Yup, and they even have to use the force of the judiciary to ensure its monopoly in the public school system and people still know better in spite of it.

[Coyoteman]

You’ve just replaced God with science.

You are still clinging to some religious beliefs which have been disproved by science. And, that science is verifiable, which divine revelation is not.

Perhaps the best example of this is the "global flood," an idea which creationist geologists gave up on about 1830. Since then, the evidence against a global flood ca. 4350 years ago has continued to mount, while evidence supporting such a flood has dwindled until just scripture is left.

Believe what you want, but don't call it science.

[Theo]

Evolution is anti-God. Nothing real about it.

There seem to be fewer and fewer of us at FR who see that. It is indeed a diabolical way to make people see Scripture as irrelevant and incorrect and quaint.

[stormer]

“You dig in His earth, eat His fruit/herbs/vegatables/meat/fish/grain...”

Wait 'til He finds out I drank His booze and chased His women. Yikes!

[Theo]

It’s my prayer that you discover the truth of Jesus before you die. He wasn’t a mere prophet or wise man, you know....

[Coyoteman]

My post dealt with what archaeoligsts do. You posted:

Observe the fossil record and posit theories about how these organizms lived and died,their diet, environment, social structure, culture.

I have never encountered the fossil record while doing archaeology. I work in the US, and at the time periods we deal with, fossilization has not yet occurred. We do deal with "how these organizms lived and died,their diet, environment, social structure, culture," but it is humans and human cultures we are dealing with, not fossils.