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(Idaho Senators) Craig, Crapo still think immigration bill may pass
The Idaho Statesman: When News Breaks, We Distort It ^
| 11 June 2007
| Kevin Diaz
Posted on 06/11/2007 2:31:17 AM PDT by GOP_Raider
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posted on
06/11/2007 2:34:47 AM PDT
by
GOP_Raider
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Craig...is counting on folks back home to see him as a practical problem-solver, not an apologist for illegal immigrants.Or as a "sellout to foreign invaders".
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posted on
06/11/2007 2:39:50 AM PDT
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GOP_Raider
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To: GOP_Raider
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posted on
06/11/2007 2:57:42 AM PDT
by
Man50D
(Fair Tax , you earn it , you keep it!)
To: GOP_Raider
"We all come to the dinner table, but we don't take that next step and say, Geez, where does this food come from, and who is involved?'" said Kelly Henggeler, a fourth-generation apple grower from Fruitland.Pick yer own or step up to modern times and buy one of them new-fangled machines that harvest them apples real good. What a self-serving, selfish and ignorant person.
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posted on
06/11/2007 3:00:07 AM PDT
by
LaineyDee
(Don't mess with Texas wimmen!)
To: GOP_Raider
You are representing Idaho not California there Craig you moron.
If Americans don’t dump ALL the politicians that vote for this amnesty b.s. then they deserve what they get.
As for the politicians, they deserve what they get for supporting this abomination. Hopefully they fear for their jobs and safety.
To: LaineyDee
"Pick yer own or step up to modern times and buy one of them new-fangled machines that harvest them apples real good." Really??? Got a link to a manufacturer???
I'm as opposed to illegal immigration as anyone, but touting imaginary solutions ain't gonna cut it.
The "ag problem" is solvable by a REAL "temporary guest worker program". But any such solution must be one with REAL TEETH to assure that they GO HOME and doesn't offer any "path to citizenship".
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posted on
06/11/2007 3:22:17 AM PDT
by
Wonder Warthog
(The Hog of Steel-NRA)
To: GOP_Raider
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posted on
06/11/2007 4:00:21 AM PDT
by
2ndDivisionVet
(Fred Thompson/John Bolton 2008)
To: GOP_Raider
is it pronounced Cray-POE
or is it Crap-o.
I would have changed it either way.
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posted on
06/11/2007 4:21:09 AM PDT
by
Vaquero
(" an armed society is a polite society" Heinlein "MOLON LABE!" Leonidas of Sparta)
To: Wonder Warthog
The "ag problem" is solvable by a REAL "temporary guest worker program". But any such solution must be one with REAL TEETH to assure that they GO HOME and doesn't offer any "path to citizenship". You are correct. The entire trouble with the senate shamnesty bill is that it begins with the assumption that 12 or 15 or 20 million or more illegal aliens have a right to be here and are eligible for immediate Z-visas and citizenship tracks.
There is no attempt to separate the desire-ables from the undesirables. What needs to be done are three things:
- CATEGORY ONE: Stepped up enforcement and deportation of the undesirables starting with gang bangers, drug pushers and reconquistadoras, then moving to welfare cheats and the unemployable.
- CATEGORY TWO: Guest worker track visas for the productive and employable who have no desire for citizenship but demonstrate responsibility and willingness to return home, make legal application and clear background checks which they, or their employers would pay for. The hurdles for these people could be relatively low such as return and application, basic background check to show they have no criminal history and medical checks to show they are free of communicable diseases. They would need employer sponsors willing to pay their true costs, not simply have the taxpayers pick up the tab for the difference. These would be the majority of the visas, issued on as "as needed" basis for a limited time such as three years, during which time a reevaluation is done both as to just how many are needed and how well the worker followed the conditions of their guest worker status.
- CATEGORY THREE: Finally, there would be a limited number of citizenship track visas. The hurdles would be and should be high and involve real fines (not token fines with more than token tax relief as the current senate bill proposes), going to the back of the line and demonstrated proficiency in English. This would be the smallest group and would intentionally be designed to be small to allow the time necessary for proper background checks. It should be no bigger than category #1 initially, but could grow as the removal of category #1 illegals would free up investigation resources for category #3.
Countries unwilling to take back their undesirables in category #1 would be ineligible for visas in category #2. Just see how fast Mexico would be willing to take back category #1s once they see other countries which are lining up for category #2 slots.
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posted on
06/11/2007 4:26:55 AM PDT
by
Vigilanteman
(Are there any men left in Washington? Or are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud)
To: Vaquero
Cray-Po.
(Although “Crap-O” wouldn’t offend us any at this point.)
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posted on
06/11/2007 4:52:39 AM PDT
by
GOP_Raider
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To: GOP_Raider
Why are politicians like diapers?
Because, they need to be changed frequently, or they start to stink.
To: GOP_Raider
To: Vigilanteman
I agree with most of your points except category 3.
NO person who has come here in violation of our laws should EVER be, or become, eligible for citizenship, as a result of that action.
The absolute maximum amnesty for those types should be permanent residency (with NO associated path the citizenship). The best they are eligible for is that their children (if born here) will be eligible. I'd even go so far as to allow some mechanism for children not born here to become citizens, as they weren't the responsible parties in breaking our laws.
"IF" they go home, get in line with the regular LEGAL immigrants, and go through the process, THEN they can become citizens.
To: GOP_Raider
Find a closed-borders conservative to challenge these RINOs in the primary.
We can defeat them. They have betrayed their oath and they think we should pin a medal on them.
It's like honoring Benedict Arnold wing of the GOP.
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posted on
06/11/2007 6:35:25 AM PDT
by
George W. Bush
(Rudi & McVain: tough on terror, scared of Iowa)
To: GOP_Raider
If this immigration bill does get re-introduced and passed, the Republican leadership will have hell to pay. This is not something you force on the majority of voters. These people seem to forget what their job is: to represent the voters — not force unwanted laws on the public for the benefit of a few, at the expense of the majority.
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posted on
06/11/2007 6:37:37 AM PDT
by
TommyDale
(Rudy Giuliani’s candidacy is fading faster than an abortionist’s conscience.)
To: GOP_Raider
Gee, I really hope that’s a load of — well — CRAPO!
To: Wonder Warthog
I'm as opposed to illegal immigration as anyone, but touting imaginary solutions ain't gonna cut it. True, but why should someone work on an apple harvesting machine (or any other such modern marvel) when farmers can get away with hiring illegals for 4-5 bucks an hour? Especially when they can third-party the costs of their drunken brawls (hospital and law enforcement), and overbreeding (schools and medical care) onto taxpayers in other communities?
Get rid of the magnet for illegals, and the technical solutions to agriculture problems are going to appear. We don't farm like we used to a hundred years ago, do we?
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posted on
06/11/2007 7:12:00 AM PDT
by
hunter112
(Change will happen when very good men are forced to do very bad things.)
To: Wonder Warthog
I'm as opposed to illegal immigration as anyone, but touting imaginary solutions ain't gonna cut it. It would have only taken a moment for you to find out that there are machines which attach to the trees and shake out the fruit.
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posted on
06/11/2007 7:30:41 AM PDT
by
LaineyDee
(Don't mess with Texas wimmen!)
To: Vaquero
Let’s just say that Crapo’s not making - or keeping - a lot of friends around here.
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posted on
06/11/2007 7:34:56 AM PDT
by
Noumenon
(The Koran is the Mein Kampf of a religion that has always aimed to eliminate the others - O. Fallaci)
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