Bush disqualified from border debate

World Net Daily ^ | June 11, 2007 | Joseph Farah

[TomGuy]

We need a strong president who is pledged to protect our country

That is why we do NOT need a president coming from the Good Ole Boys Club -- the Senate.

And that includes: McCain, Graham, FThompson, HClinton, JEdwards, etc.

There is actually little difference in them. They may play teams for the cameras, but when they get behind closed doors, they are one-in-the-same most times.

[GLH3IL]

Well if some that are posting this anti-Bush mantra are sincere in their beliefs, that’s exactly what they should be asking for impeachment. They will invoke Reagan’s name with breathless reverence (justifiably so) but fail to recognize that Reagan had a fairly similar view of immigration that Dubya does.

I do not agree with the President’s position on this issue. But in order to understand why he’s doing what he’s doing you have to understand the mindset. For whatever reason, Bush is NOT looking at the borders as a homeland security issue. He should be, but clearly he’s not. Instead his motivation for his polices grows from his core belief in free trade. Remember, Bush looks at things in the long term. now I’m not a mind reader, and I could be very wrong here, but I think bush see’s a free trade, EU type of zone as an eventual way to secure our Southern border by way of making sure that Mexico’s prosperity it tied with ours...thus a devstating terrorist attack on us would be equally as devestating in an economic sense, on them. Using this logic, I’m going to assume that Bush believes that Mexico will be an effective partner in securing our sounthern flank and keeping the bad guys at bay from that direction. For many reasons, i believe this to be a flawed plan, if it is what he’s thinking, but such a plan would pretty much explain why he’s so strong in his support for the current immigration legislation.

[righteousindignation]

THANK YOU!!!

[detch]

No more “comprehensive” talk, please, Mr. President.

Sequential, ok?

Where’s the fence you authorized last year?

[tumblindice]

(from the article)
“The laws currently on the books, if enforced, would solve most of the problems we have with illegal immigration. The problem is one of enforcement.

Passing new laws that will be misused, ignored or abused is hardly an answer.”

The Senate tried to `rail-road’ new immigration laws late last week in order to get another amnesty for “undocumented workers”.
If they failed to enforce the old laws, why would we expect them to enforce the new ones?
Consequently, we did (and do) not trust them to enforce new obligations, just new rights granted to foreign, resident lawbreakers.

What’s `over the top’ with that logic?

[righteousindignation]

I meant to say “pardoning” not “paying”

[RightWhale]

Where’s our Alaska Natural Gas Pipeline? Where’s our Moonbase? Where’s our Superconducting Supercollider? Where’s anything when gov’t gets involved?

[tobyhill]

President Bush isn’t getting any immigration bill passed in this session but if the anti-Bush folks keep trying to split the party then the Democrats will control the congress and Presidency in Jan of ‘09 and it will get passed. Reid knows it’s got no chance in hell of passing now but he also won’t kill it because it’s a dividing Republican issue. The best thing the Republicans can do is stop talking about it and every time it goes on the floor just vote against cloture without comment.

[righteousindignation]

you have no idea how much suffering has been caused by Bush/Sutton/Cordine

[mountainfolk]

Since this bill appears to be almost dead, why are the Pres Bush haters and bashers still frothing? Is this not what they wanted? No bill to the House of Representatives so our many congress persons could debate and either kill it or approve it? Now thousands of illegals will continue to infiltrate this country while the screamers howl for enforcement of our current laws. Current laws which appear to be overruled in many localities by their own laws. Generalities which do not apply to specific locations will not stop the illegals. It will take federal government enforcement to make anything stick. Government enforcement which will have to come about by both sides of the aisle cooperating. Bush haters want the issue, not the solution unless it is solely theirs.

[tobyhill]

President Bush doesn’t want to get involved in the legal issues now but will pardon or commute them as he’s walking out the door.

[MinimizeGovernment]

No one disqualified Reagan from the debate when he allowed 5 million illegals amnesty.

One black mark on an otherwise stellar presidency--more than I can say for the Bush administration.

If Bush is so convinced that this bill is the right solution, why are they afraid to break it into pieces:

1. Secure the border and reduce illegals crossing the border by 99%.
2. Increase penalties for firms that hire illegals and prosecute them.
3. Prosecute illegal immigrants already in the country for failing to pay income taxes and for fraud if they attempt to use public services, welfare, driver's licenses, social security numbers, etc. that they are not legally entitled to.
4. Change the law so that children born to those illegally in the country do not automatically become US citizens.
5. Change the law so that we grade prospective immigrants on their ability to contribute to our economy, not on who they're related to.
6. Require anyone already here illegally to register with the government within 30 days or be subject to deportation as soon as they are caught.
7. At the end of 30 days, allow local law enforcement to begin actively searching for illegals and deporting anyone who cannot prove they are here legally.
8. Allow the registered illegals already here to enter the normal queue with other prospective immigrants, with the same rights as anyone else seeking to enter the country.

Break them apart, each bill contingent on the one before it being accomplished before the next one takes effect. Simple, fair, and legal.

[Chi-townChief]

We did that in ‘86 and found out differently.

[ClaireSolt]

You have no idea what ideas I have. Has it ever occurred to you that corruption at the border has impacted the whole country?

[detch]

Then on June 17, 1954, what was called “Operation Wetback” began. Because political resistance was lower in California and Arizona, the roundup of aliens began there. Some 750 agents swept northward through agricultural areas with a goal of 1,000 apprehensions a day. By the end of July, over 50,000 aliens were caught in the two states. Another 488,000, fearing arrest, had fled the country.

How Eisenhower solved illegal border crossings from Mexico
By John Dillin

[Just another Joe]

The "Big Picture" is that, almost, every law enforcement person, politician, and elected official in the country has neglected their sworn duty to the Constitution of the United States of America.

THAT'S the "Big Picture".

[353FMG]

“..consciously and overtly refused to uphold his sworn constitutional duty to execute and administer the duly enacted border and immigration..”

I am still trying to figure out how this man, so promising when inaugurated the first time, can intentionally shirk his presidential duties.

[tobyhill]

My point about Reagan is that even though it was a black mark no one spoke ill about it then or now. One big difference is that Reagan’s amnesty was actually passed as law whereas President Bush’s has been nothing but back and forth that’s going nowhere.

[ClaireSolt]

This is what I called over the top. “Since Bush has, for nearly seven years, deliberately, consciously and overtly refused to uphold his sworn constitutional duty to execute and administer the duly enacted border and immigration laws already on the books, he should be disqualified from participating in any further negotiations regarding new border and immigration laws.

Doesn’t that make sense?

Why would we turn to a scofflaw president, one who, out of some misguided ideological conviction, habitually and repeatedly reneged on his oath of office, with regard to immigration issues, to solve a problem he himself exacerbated beyond anyone’s ability to imagine or comprehend?”

[RightWhale]

There is no accountability in FedGov. This was noted 200 years ago.