Bush disqualified from border debate

World Net Daily ^ | June 11, 2007 | Joseph Farah

[johnpaul]

Right you are! GW is out of touch, and in 2009 he will be out of here! Unfortunately, that is not nearly soon enough! The man should be impeached for not enforcing existing laws.

This entire situation reeks of elitism and money! We need to learn not to elect any more Ivy League presidents - they are too far removed from the issues and problems we average working folks deal with daily. And worse, they feel superior and entitled to their place in the government. They are anathema to what this country is about.

The Republican Party is moribund.

[ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas]

>>Not pragmatic. Clinton was completely unable to manage the bureaucracy or to legislate with Congress. Just a horndog with a pretty face.<<

Clinton did get a retroactive tax bill passed.

I am not saying that Clinton was anything other than a slime. Clinton was just a counter example to the assertion that Presidents always keep pushing bills they want, even if they cannot pass.

[WWTD]

That’s a safe assumption!

Tancredo and Duncan Hunter are probably non-CFR as well, though I haven’t researched it.

Here are candidates (or potential candidates) that I know are CFR:

Dems: Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, Chris Dodd, Joseph Biden, Bill Richardson, Welsey Clark

Repubs: Fred Thompson, Tommy Thompson, Newt Gingrich, Dick Cheney, John McCain, Rudy Giuliani

[samtheman]

We need to learn not to elect any more Ivy League presidents

Good plan.

[dennisw]

George Bush’s open borders policy was done on purpose so that one day GW and twinkie Lindsay Graham, John McCain, Ted Kennedy, Bill O’Reilly could get up and squawk about the impossibility of deporting 12 million illegal aliens. Of course the number is more like 25 million and they can be deported via enforcing existing laws on identity theft, Social Security number fraud and job sanctions. Which will induce them to get the heck out!

[dennisw]

We need to learn not to elect any more Ivy League presidents

In 1951, when Rudy Giuliani was seven, his family moved from Brooklyn to Garden City South on Long Island. There he attended a local Catholic school, St. Anne's.^[15] Later, he commuted back to Brooklyn to attend Bishop Loughlin Memorial High School, graduating in 1961. He received College Board scores of 569 verbal and 504 math.^[16] He went on to Manhattan College in Riverdale, The Bronx, graduating in 1965. He then attended New York University School of Law in Manhattan, graduating cum laude with a Juris Doctor in 1968.^[17]

[samtheman]

I’m not voting for Rudi because of that picture of him in a dress. There are other, more substantive reasons, to be sure, but that picture says “No, Not President” to me.

[Chuck Dent]

out of some misguided ideological conviction

Why is this canard continually repeated? I have only seen a few FReepers who correctly understand the real reason for open borders: to inflate the short-term economy.

It's the oldest & simplest trick in the book. Bush needed a strong economy (at least expressed in GDP & unemployment - forget national/state budget deficits) to deflect attention away from domestic issues so that he could deal with the WoT.

Problem is, he's gambling away our nation's future. While the WoT needs to be won, destroying the village (our country) in order to save it is the wrong way to conduct the war.

Now we're in a fix; forcing out 12-20m illegals would have a disastrous & depressing affect on the economy. But there is a way out: replace 20m illegals with 20m LEGAL immigrants from around the world.

It would offset any deflationary effects, bring in higher skilled immigrants, and provide much, much greater cultural diversity. Since they wouldn't be able to form any single block, they would be forced to adapt/assimilate like all previous generations.

[Czar]

"Clinton did get a retroactive tax bill passed."

As I recall it, this was a retroactive tax increase. Some accomplishment.

[MrEdd]

WHO does that sound like?

You. look in the mirror as you read your coment. Ironically it will probably pass over your head

[ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas]

>>As I recall it, this was a retroactive tax increase. Some accomplishment.<< You are correct. I am not praising Clinton!!!!!! The Clinton Tax increase was wrong, and so is the amnesty bill. Can we please return to the main discussion? If you really care, look at the previous posts to see how we got to the subject of Clinton. OK, what I said was that if the bill cannot pass (I don't know whether it will) then the reason could be that he has promised someone that he will keep pushing amnesty, and that promise has something to do with oil and Mexico.

[2ndDivisionVet]

Just say NO to Amnesty!! Keep calling!! It’s NOT OVER!!

U.S. Senate switchboard: (202) 224-3121

U.S. House switchboard: (202) 225-3121

White House comments: (202) 456-1111

Find your House Rep.: http://www.house.gov/writerep

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[af_vet_rr]

And some of them appear to have woken up and smelled the roses after the firestorm broke out among constituents and almost all the conservative pundits.

Those are fair-weather Republicans/Conservatives. We don't need Republicans who discover they're conservative simply because the base starts to rebel.

I want politicians who don't watch polls to decide how conservative they are - they run as conservatives, and continue to act like conservatives after elected. Not this crap of "run as a conservative, but swing to the left and start listening to whatever donor is in your office at the moment".

[Czar]

"Can we please return to the main discussion?"

You left the main discussion to inject some obscure point about Clinton. I just reread your comment. It remains obscure.

"If you really care, look at the previous posts to see how we got to the subject of Clinton."

Previous posts are not in issue--just yours.

"OK, what I said was that if the bill cannot pass (I don't know whether it will) then the reason could be that he has promised someone that he will keep pushing amnesty, and that promise has something to do with oil and Mexico."

Perhaps.

[GOPJ]

Because we have liked some of the other things he was doing, we let him slide on this one.

You're right. We've given him a pass...

[fight_truth_decay]

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/04/20070409-12.html

I agree..The President has always made the border fencing a priority. The money is there but where are those governors and other political leaders, Democrats / Republicans/Rhinos of those border states in seeing this mandate is accomplished?

In other words whether Democrat or Republican, it’s better to complain and say I will build the fence in 6 months if I am President then to oversee that it is built now..and should have been yesterday if it was intended to be.

What the President has to go down there and get the job done himself? (Hey Cheney, carry over that roll of chicken wire will ya? what heart attacks happen? not on my watch they don't.."useless sons of b.....!") Landowners can't that the initiative to build this fence across their own land? ...as last time I looked "their land, is their land and is not my land, Joooo-se, can you see"?

I ask you could any of these politicians ever do anything without seeking personal notoriety and bashing each other for votes, would be the day of miracles!! If a politician in one of those bordering states cannot get that fence built with money sitting the coffer by now, then he or she is certainly not forceful enough or possess the leadership qualities for President, say much about their elected offices. Can't get a fence installed on their own borders?.. %$@XX-Bleep!!

Whining crybabies is what they are. We have not had attacks since 9/11...and don’t you think the terrorists would if they could? We are told they will stop at nothing to kill us by our Political Mamas and Papas but...knock on wood! A lot goes on behind the 'scenes' that you will never know about for years to come..called classified!

Fences will not stop anyone getting into this country that wants to do us harm. You might stop Jose or Pedro from getting to work on time at Andy's American Roofing Co. Big accomplishment!

We have almost full employment! Welfare makes it easy for Americans not to work! Bogus disability claims (hey,nice golf clubs there, LeRoy)..and the economy continues to prosper..Just hate that, don't you!

All these hot-shot politicians are just going to kiss it and make it better..how? I can tell you what they can kiss!

I might remind many that The President said via the link above some time ago..the fences, a necessity, the money is there, technology (leads to fewer humans) is available...we all know blah blah..but.....geeze no workers down in old Alamo part of the US personally able to build a fence?

If a politician on those border states cannot get the fence up before election time, he is sure in Hell not getting my vote..means he doesn't have the Hoospa to be President of the US. One time would like to see Hannity ask :" How come if you can't erect this famous Super fence before '08 seeing you are "up close and personal with the border and all that stuff", we should not consider you more of a failure than, which you keep reminding us, is that of the President of the United States?

Politics is being spun so many times that the voters minds have become all tied up in knots with limited blood supply to the brain.. keep em scared enough and Nanny politics will come into play.

Be careful what you whine for...you just might get, Hillary!! (Can see her swinging a pickax now after her morning "pick-up basketball game") ;)

[Brakeman]

The issue now is have we learned our lesson from 1986?

And the answer is obviously NO from the pro open border crowd.