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He thinks physics proves Christianity
Philly.com ^ | Jun. 10, 2007 | Bryan Appleyard

Posted on 06/12/2007 8:29:09 AM PDT by mjp

The Physics of Christianity By Frank J. Tipler

'I have a salary at Tulane," says Frank Tipler, "some 40 percent lower than the average for a full professor at Tulane as a consequence of my belief."

Physicists today, he says, are not supposed to believe in God. But he does, though I suspect that in itself would not reduce his salary. What may well do, however, is his belief that the Cosmological Singularity is God. In other words, he believes that contemporary physics has found God and that physics explains Christianity. In fact, it is probably true to say that Tipler does not believe at all. There is no need, for he feels he has proved Christianity through physics.

With his previous book, The Physics of Immortality, Tipler used physics to prove that death would be utterly conquered as future beings deployed vast energy resources, derived from the contraction of the universe, to resurrect the past, ourselves included. Here he goes much further. He says that modern physics has confirmed Christianity - from the Virgin Birth through the Turin Shroud and walking on water to the Resurrection - in detail.

Central to this argument is his conviction that there is no discontinuity between the insights of science and the revelations of the Gospels. Miracles, for example, are not, as is often claimed, sudden deformations or breaches of the natural order. They happen through known physical processes. Walking on water is accomplished through a particle beam and dematerialization through the multiple universe model implied by quantum theory. That they happen when they do is, of course, God's will, but, in making them happen, he does not violate the order of his creation.

This is not a limitation on God's power because he established the laws of physics precisely to encompass all these eventualities. Similarly, the existence of evil is neither God's failing nor proof of his nonexistence. If we could see the many universes - the multiverse - he has created, the problem would simply vanish. Our limited perspective means that we cannot fully understand this any more than we can visualize a four-dimensional cube, but, as with the cube, we can at least imagine the possibility.

The strong argument against relying so much on contemporary scientific knowledge is that, in years to come, much of that knowledge may be overthrown. Indeed, for the majority of physicists, the physics on which Tipler rests his case is already obsolete or at least debatable. The multiverse is generally regarded only as one possible interpretation of quantum theory. The Standard Model of particle physics is thought to be incomplete, and we have no theory of quantum gravity. The Theory of Everything that seemed to be looming in the late '80s now seems as distant as ever. Hope now resides in the exotica of string theory and supersymmetry.

Tipler rejects all this. We have a theory of everything, all the problems were resolved 30 years ago. Subsequent stringy speculations are just that, speculations without any experimental proof. To deny the multiverse is to deny quantum theory; a complete theory of quantum gravity was stumbled upon long ago by Richard Feynman and Steven Weinberg, and the Standard Model is founded on rock-solid foundations of experimental evidence. Why, then, do the physicists deny all this? Because, says Tipler, they don't like the universe that emerges, a universe that begins and ends with God.

The experimentally based physics to which Tipler refers predicts a singularity - a point at which all known laws of physics break down and to which, therefore, our science has no access - from which the universe sprang. There is a further singularity at the end of the universe and a third joining the two. This is the Holy Trinity. The first singularity, says Tipler, is God the Father, the second God the Holy Ghost, and the third God the Son. The last, because of his role as the singularity that runs alongside the present, is able to appear in human history.

Though this may seem highly deterministic, Tipler insists we still have free will. Our role is to play our part in the drama that will lead to the final singularity. This is a technological matter, but clues to how it may be achieved were laid at the Resurrection. Notably there is the baryon annihilation process that will provide us with infinite energy, interstellar travel, and a mechanism that will advance the contraction of the universe toward its final encounter with God. Baryon annihilation will also provide us with appalling powers of destruction. It converts matter into energy with absolute efficiency. On that basis, a human body contains enough mass to create a 1,000-megaton explosion. Tipler expects the world as we know it to end within 50 years or so. Our destiny will be intact, however, as we shall have become backed-up computer programs, probably on our way to the stars.

I doubt this book will make many converts. Believers will continue to believe, perhaps with a little more confidence, and skeptics will continue to doubt, perhaps with a little less. But Tipler should not be ignored by anybody. His great virtue is that he dramatizes the possibility that there is a deep and so far unknown connection between our faiths, our intuitions and our knowledge. He is due, at the very least, for a salary review.


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To: Clock King

One can’t look deeply into the structure of the cosmos and the nature of reality and not be moved at a spiritual level.

Carl Sagan said the (nearly) the very same thing, and continued by saying that the cosmos is all there is, was, and will be. That we are made of this star-stuff, and that’s why we have a yearning to know more about it.


41 posted on 06/12/2007 9:51:36 AM PDT by Ro_Thunder ("Other than ending SLAVERY, FASCISM, NAZISM and COMMUNISM, war has never solved anything")
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To: dmz

Ah, the “my way or the highway” approach to faith and religious belief. A shame, really, that some are unable to recognize truth from allegory.

What other parts of the gospel do you consider allegory? Did Jesus really die? Did he REALLY come back, (conquer death), and by doing so free us (mankind) from our death in sin?

Or was that allegory as well?

The Bible is written in black and white text, with lots of red later on. It is what it says it is, and has been proven to be what it says it is time after time.

Lord knows I do things I shouldn’t, I’m tempted, and fall. It’s by the grace of the Lord (via Jesus) that I am able to continue on, in communion with Him. It’s NOT an allegory.


42 posted on 06/12/2007 9:54:57 AM PDT by Ro_Thunder ("Other than ending SLAVERY, FASCISM, NAZISM and COMMUNISM, war has never solved anything")
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To: RFC_Gal

As I said, we use the knowledge that is given, such as to heal.

There have been many that sought to prove that there is no God, that the Bible is just stories. Many of those may not admit it, but their lives were changed by the search. They either accept the Truth, or harden their hearts.

IMHO, this “life” is a test, just as the Garden of Eden was. God speaks to us in many differnt ways. Satan tempts us daily. It is our decision to follow in Jesus footsteps, or not.


43 posted on 06/12/2007 9:59:01 AM PDT by wizr (Freedom ain't free.. Common sense ain't common,. Read Jeremiah, Chapters 18 & 19)
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To: RFC_Gal

God gave the doctor the talent, and the drive to heal others. I pray about being sick, and go to the doctor when/if I must.


44 posted on 06/12/2007 9:59:13 AM PDT by Ro_Thunder ("Other than ending SLAVERY, FASCISM, NAZISM and COMMUNISM, war has never solved anything")
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To: wizr

Most of this knowledge was discovered by science - it wasn’t derived from reading the Bible.


45 posted on 06/12/2007 10:01:06 AM PDT by RFC_Gal (It's not just a boulder; It's a rock! A ro-o-ock. The pioneers used to ride these babies for miles!)
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To: tutstar; Nightshift

read later


46 posted on 06/12/2007 10:01:38 AM PDT by tutstar (Baptist Ping list - freepmail me to get on or off.)
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To: mjp

I believe, and it’s compelling. But, proof? No.


47 posted on 06/12/2007 10:02:00 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: mjp

What a nut.


48 posted on 06/12/2007 10:03:40 AM PDT by Sloth (The GOP is to DemonRats in politics as Michael Jackson is to Jeffrey Dahmer in babysitting.)
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To: CDHart

He probably makes much more selling books than he loses in salary for his nuttiness.


49 posted on 06/12/2007 10:05:21 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: mjp

bookmark


50 posted on 06/12/2007 10:07:00 AM PDT by GOP Poet
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To: RightWhale
Physicists today, he says, are not supposed to believe in God.

They're not supposed to invoke God in their formal research, but that's very different from not believing in God.

51 posted on 06/12/2007 10:09:54 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: mjp

Ah, well, what’s one more nutcase thrown into the fray.


52 posted on 06/12/2007 10:14:32 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: RFC_Gal

Why do you think the peoples of the Middle East did not eat pork? Until recently, if pork was not fully cooked, you could die from eating it. The Bible helped to save lives. The Ten Commandments are just common sense.

Try reading it. You might learn something. Lighten up, which means, let some light in your heart.


53 posted on 06/12/2007 10:14:52 AM PDT by wizr (Freedom ain't free.. Common sense ain't common,. Read Jeremiah, Chapters 18 & 19)
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To: Ro_Thunder
Carl Sagan said the (nearly) the very same thing, and continued by saying that the cosmos is all there is, was, and will be.

Uh, why would Carl Sagan say anything about being moved at a spiritual level, and then say something that indicates the spiritual level doesn't exist? Seems a bit of a contradiction.

54 posted on 06/12/2007 10:21:32 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: OKSooner

Bookmark.


55 posted on 06/12/2007 10:25:25 AM PDT by OKSooner
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To: gcruse
“Coat hangers have to self replicate’

Not as such. They metamorphose. The larval form of coat hangers is the paper clip.


Perhaps the sock is an intermediate stage.
56 posted on 06/12/2007 10:35:34 AM PDT by FreedomOfExpression (Dime: a dollar with all the taxes taken out.)
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To: FreedomOfExpression

Come to think of it, the clip has to have a way to get from the desk to the coat closet .... a sock would be the perfect vehicle.


57 posted on 06/12/2007 10:40:32 AM PDT by gcruse
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To: onedoug

ping


58 posted on 06/12/2007 10:43:24 AM PDT by stylecouncilor (I'm a loner Dottie; a rebel.)
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To: MEGoody

Did you see the series “Cosmos”? All of these were from Carl Sagan. Frankly, if you read these three, which doesn’t belong?

“The cosmos is all that is or ever was or ever will be.”

“It is very hard to look at the beauty, intricacy, and subtlety of nature without feeling awe. I don’t think even the word reverence is too strong.”

“Our feeblest contemplations of the Cosmos stir us-there is a tingling in the spine, a catch in the voice, a faint sensation, as if a distant memory, of falling from a height. We know we are approaching the greatest of mysteries.”


59 posted on 06/12/2007 10:51:24 AM PDT by Ro_Thunder ("Other than ending SLAVERY, FASCISM, NAZISM and COMMUNISM, war has never solved anything")
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To: Ro_Thunder
Did you see the series “Cosmos”?

Nah, don't watch much TV.

Frankly, if you read these three, which doesn’t belong?

Uh, I don't see any quote that says anything about a spiritual level. If there were such a quote (which your post seemed to imply), I would say that one didn't belong.

60 posted on 06/12/2007 10:58:14 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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