Penalty Mitigation in the Immigration Reform Bill [White House Spokesman Responds: Post #53]

Free Republic ^ | 6-13-2007 | philman_36

[philman_36]

This morning on Fox and Friends there was made mention that much stricter fines are in the immigration reform bill. While this is true many folks may not know about a few words that follow the language about the tougher fines. Those words make a travesty of any "fines" as they can be waved and the employer could walk away owing nothing in penalties.

Here are the words I've got a problem with...

(D) The Secretary is authorized to reduce or mitigate penalties imposed upon employers, based upon factors including, but not limited to, the employer's hiring volume, compliance history, good-faith implementation of a compliance program, participation in temporary worker program, and voluntary disclosure of violations of this subsection to the Secretary.

So while we're being told that "the penalties are tougher" we aren't being told that under some circumstances employers can face reduced or even no fine whatsoever.
At this point of time in our history America can't afford our officials not being completely truthful to us and not stating that the possibility exists for employers to potentially be let off the hook completely is simply unacceptable.

[philman_36]

I'm going to take these out of turn...
What makes anyone think that these laws would be enforced with any more diligence than any of the current immigration-related laws?
Exactly. Nobody does.

What does it matter?
Evidently the programs and packages in the bill are where the real desire is. If it all passes without too much scrutiny then we're stuck with them. So much has been pushed through riding under good intentions it isn't funny.
It's like the minimum wage increase. That wasn't a stand alone bill, it got pushed in with a war appropriations bill. Who is going to vote against a war appropriations bill no matter what else is in there? They would be labeled as "not supporting the troops".
Sometimes, in fact many times, our Congressmen/women don't even know what they're passing because they aren't even reading the bills before them!

[philman_36]

and worse in that picture is BOTH of mine are on the far right.
You have my sympathies.

And the answers to my calls and emails are farcical.
Ah, the old canned responses. Been there...

[philman_36]

This bill is a joke on the American people.
The "paper bag on the porch on fire" kind of joke.

[philman_36]

Trent Lott is quoted DIRECTLY in another thread stating the enforce first amendmetns would be made meaningless in the conference committee.

I'll just link that in case anyone is interested...
Bush lobbies Senate on immigration (Lott's Outrageous Comment)

[NeoCaveman]

So for a $2,000 campaign contribution you can get $100,000 in fines waived.... Not a bad investment.

Crooks.

[VOA]

Penalty Mitigation in the Immigration Reform Bill

This is why "the vampire bill" needs to have a stake driven
through it's chest.

I suspect that once "comprehensive immigration reform" is passed...
anything that La Raza, Reid, Dubya, Lott, Brownback and their minions
don't like will get hamstrung and/or excised from the bill
by some court/judge.

[philman_36]

So for a $2,000 campaign contribution you can get $100,000 in fines waived.... Not a bad investment.
It's so easy to figure out even a caveman can do it! LOL

[hunter112]

It's so easy to figure out even a caveman can do it!

Hairbacks?

[philman_36]

If you view this as "the vampire bill" then what monster comes to mind with the thought of an activist judge getting a hold of the ensuing court cases that will inevitably arise?
The Living Dead perhaps?

(their minions...The Living Dead)

[philman_36]

It's so easy to figure out even a caveman can do it!
Check out the screen name of who that response is to.

[philman_36]

Excellent post, and a critical piece of information which needs to be brought to the attention of the American people at every opportunity.
I'm still worried too few will get it and it won't get any/enough coverage despite how important it is.

[VOA]

The Living Dead perhaps?

Yep. Ghouls walking around with nothing better to do than
consume the substance (tax money) of vital citizens.

I do think "vampire bill" does the current legislative fight justice
as all the Amnesty activists will push and push and push until
they win or their employees in the Senate and House get spanked.

[B4Ranch]

That is exactly the way I see it.

When I look around, we have traitors in Washington and unfortunately noone is going to put them on trial. Us voters seem to think that elections are enough of a trial and we can’t be bothered with going thru the time and expense of rounding up the signatures for a recall.

We have the ignorant voter who knows diddly squat about this imigration bill and could care less because they only vote in presidential elections if at all.

Then there is the American who doesn’t care who’s in office as long as him and the wife have decent paying jobs and the kids aren’t mugged on their way to public school.

We elect politicians who seem to consistently be about 180 days behind what’s posted on FR. In some cases 640 days but they’ll sign any bill placed in front of them as long as their favorite lobbyist doesn’t object.

These are the ignorant buggers who are schocked right out of their underwear when the people start calling his office and demanding that he withdraw his support for a bill. Then he has to back out of the deals he’s already made with the lobbyists for contributions.

This idea of ‘elected for life’ needs to be vigorously opposed by the voters if we are going to have any chance at all of saving America.

DRIP = “Don’t Return Incumbent Politicians,” – two terms, and they’re out.

The first term they make friends and learn how to get a bill passed. The second term they can actually write some bills that will help us and then get out of DC.

[saveliberty]

Prior version of Title III, which was supposed to impose a fine of $25K per illegal up to $75K per and an additional $1K plus the risk of criminal charges.

http://hughhewitt.townhall.com/g/7c7decff-7cb5-42ab-925b-0a2b3df05ff4

This may be moot as I’d read that R’s who are not Trent Lott are demanding more enforcement in any subsequent bill.

[WashingtonSource]

Mushroom governance. Keep the sheeple in the dark and feed ‘em $#!t.

Bears repeating over and over.

[goldstategop]

They lie to us. Every one knows illegals are never going to pay fines, penalties or taxes so why bring it up? They going to get special treatment so they telling us they'll now obey the law is an insult. The pro-amnesty advocates don't even have the guts to look up in the face and tell us the forgiveness is absolute.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

[philman_36]

That is exactly the way I see it.
Too bad our blind political "leaders" don't.

We elect politicians who seem to consistently be about 180 days behind what’s posted on FR.
That has got to infuriate them.

This idea of ‘elected for life’ needs to be vigorously opposed by the voters if we are going to have any chance at all of saving America.
LOL...Does the name Jack Brooks ring a bell?

[philman_36]

It doesn't matter what the fines are if they can be mitigated, does it? It makes fines pointless!

[philman_36]

They lie to us.
Now come on, give 'em a little credit. They obfuscate, not lie.
It's easy to catch them in an outright lie so they travel the less beaten path of obfuscation.

[saveliberty]

Right, but the bill is gone. It’s up to Ted Kennedy to figure out how much he wants a deal, Lott or not Lott.