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Gay Marriage is a Socialist experiment
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| June 15, 2007
| Chuck Morse
Posted on 06/15/2007 8:20:07 AM PDT by Chuckmorse
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To: Chuckmorse
TO Mr. Chuck Morse... We the Sound-minded People of the United States don’t need any Socialism and We don’t need or want Homosexuality, even Homosexual Marriage.
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posted on
06/15/2007 8:23:41 AM PDT
by
ExcursionGuy84
("Jesus, Your Love takes my breath away.")
To: Chuckmorse
Marxists use anarchism as a means to their end. Marxists seek to seize total power.
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posted on
06/15/2007 8:25:16 AM PDT
by
Uri’el-2012
(you shall know that I, YHvH, your Savior, and your Redeemer, am the Elohim of Ya'aqob. Isaiah 60:16)
To: Chuckmorse
Not an experiment.
Part of a many-pronged strategy to continuously question legal authority, and make the legal system so bound up, that no serious challenge can be dealt with. All these frivolous issues keep the attention of almost everybody diverted from the REAL problems that face all of us collectively.
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posted on
06/15/2007 8:25:32 AM PDT
by
alloysteel
(Choose carefully the hill you would die upon. For if you win, the view is magnificent.)
To: Chuckmorse
Leftists believe in the perfectibility of man.
Conservatives believe in the fallen nature of man.
Gay Marriage is an experiment Leftists find reasonable, as if the nature of man established in every society in the history of the world can be overcome by changing enough peoples’ minds.
Gay Marriage is an overthrow of foundational principles of civilization for Conservatives, which we viscerally expect to be destructive because it contradicts human’s general nature.
Marriage is about children, and society approves of Marriage of one man and one woman as the optimal functional unit for raising children. No other construct has ever proven more successful. Regardless of equality arguments for the adults involved, the child is the point.
Are you willing to bet generations of children on alternative marriage models?
Leftists say “Yes.” Conservatives say “No.”
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posted on
06/15/2007 8:29:01 AM PDT
by
Uncle Miltie
(NY Times poll: 69% of Americans think illegal immigrants should be prosecuted & deported)
To: Chuckmorse
Socialists have historically understood that in order to implement total government, which is what socialism is, institutions that foster freedom and individual independence would have to be weakened.
I'll let others debate the rest of the article, but the first paragraph is something I've been saying for some time. By my view, libertarians and social conservatives should be natural allies.
For libertarians who dismiss the role of church and family in society, the destruction of those institutions inevitably leaves a vacuum for the state to fill. The breakdown of the family as an organizing institution in society is a major reason for the size and intrusiveness of the state today. Roles that were once the province of families have now been assumed by the state. The same can be said of the church, particularly when you look at charity and welfare.
Likewise, social conservatives who would see the state instill more moral regulation in society in order to instill "family values" should know that the state is utterly incapable of instilling family values. Only families can do that. Where the state is involved, only state values are promoted. When the state is relied upon to strengthen families and promote religion, families and religion are instead weakened and made subservient to the state.
Limited government depends on traditional values and institutions, and traditional values and institutions require limited government. Libertarianism and social conservatism should not exist in dichotomy.
< / tangental rant>
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posted on
06/15/2007 8:31:03 AM PDT
by
The Pack Knight
(Duty, Honor, Country. Friend of Fred.)
To: Brad Cloven
Are you willing to bet generations of children on alternative marriage models?
I totally agree that a stable home with married parents is the best way to raise children.
I just don't see how letting other people who generally do not have kids get married ruins it for married people and their children.
To: Chuckmorse
Anybody know this quote from Margaret Thatcher? I couldn’t find it but paraphrased she said something like “Whenever I am swayed by the left in an argument I examine the proposal and see that it ultimately is designed to increase dependence and reduce the self-reliance of the individual.” That’s nowhere near the actual words, but the idea is a very good one. Cuts through the B.S. very well in most cases.
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posted on
06/15/2007 8:51:22 AM PDT
by
Greg F
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To: Chuckmorse
Another nail in society’s coffin.
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posted on
06/15/2007 8:52:35 AM PDT
by
bannie
To: Chuckmorse
If anyone would like historical documentation of the ideas expressed in this article I would strongly recommend the book by E. Michael Jones, LIBIDO DOMINANDI: Sexual Liberation and Political Control.
To: bannie
WRKO has a Liberal host on today who is arguing that the Church is violating Separation of Church and State by getting involved in the Marriage argument. It’s been a Sacrament for almost 2,000 years! The State is usurping Doctrine from the church. This is how the gays won. They got the State to buy into the notion that Marriage is between a Tax Levying Entity and its Subjects.
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posted on
06/15/2007 9:01:13 AM PDT
by
massgopguy
(I owe everything to George Bailey)
To: The Pack Knight; Chuckmorse; Brad Cloven; alloysteel; HaveHadEnough; Madam Theophilus
You boys might want to cast your eyes on this here:
http://www.newtotalitarians.com/PsychicIronCagePartII.html
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posted on
06/15/2007 9:03:16 AM PDT
by
nathanbedford
("I like to legislate. I feel I've done a lot of good." Sen. Robert Byrd)
To: bannie
What were the following things?
Milk Price Fixing
The Numbers Racket
Booze distribution
They were all rackets once run by organized crime
Now what are they?
The New England Dairy Council
The Lottery
Licensed Liquor Establishments
The Government took them over by changing the meaning of the words.
Now they are taking Marriage from the Church.
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posted on
06/15/2007 9:04:59 AM PDT
by
massgopguy
(I owe everything to George Bailey)
To: HaveHadEnough
I just don't see how letting other people who generally do not have kids get married ruins it for married people and their children. I'm agreed. How does the availability of a sanctioned couples relationship (call it domestic partnership, civil union, or gay marriage, it's all pretty much the same thing) tempt heterosexual young people to not find each other attractive, marry each other, and then procreate?
I can understand where legalizing marijuana might make it acceptable to try it, but what law changes would make a straight guy find another guy sexually attractive?
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posted on
06/15/2007 9:12:43 AM PDT
by
hunter112
(Change will happen when very good men are forced to do very bad things.)
To: Chuckmorse
Gay Marriage is a Socialist experimentToo kind.
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posted on
06/15/2007 9:13:36 AM PDT
by
onedoug
To: massgopguy
Now they are taking Marriage from the Church. Ever since the government started registering marriages, then handing out benefits based on it, the church has had it taken away.
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posted on
06/15/2007 9:14:29 AM PDT
by
hunter112
(Change will happen when very good men are forced to do very bad things.)
To: hunter112
How does the availability of a sanctioned couples relationship (call it domestic partnership, civil union, or gay marriage, it's all pretty much the same thing) tempt heterosexual young people to not find each other attractive, marry each other, and then procreate? Empirically, look at what has happened in Europe, where homosexual marriage has been closely followed by a drastic decline in the heterosexual marriage rate.
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posted on
06/15/2007 9:20:20 AM PDT
by
Campion
("I am so tired of you, liberal church in America" -- Mother Angelica, 1993)
To: Campion
Empirically, look at what has happened in Europe, where homosexual marriage has been closely followed by a drastic decline in the heterosexual marriage rate.
Have marriage rates gone down even in those states that have not legalized gay marriage? Has the marriage rate gone down in the US, when gay marriage has not been legal?
To: Campion
As anybody knows, correlation does not imply causation. In both the US and Europe, long before even Vermont civil unions, marriage has been disintegrating. I'm much more inclined to blame it on feminism, birth control, easy divorce laws, welfare, and the media, than to attribute a decline in heterosexual marriage rate to the availability of homosexual marriage.
Do you really think that Europeans who married a same-sex partner would have instead married an opposite sex partner, if the option were not available? I'd like to think that closeted homosexuals would NOT inflict themselves on an innocent straight person in an effort to 'treat' themselves. The story of Dina Matos McGreevey should NOT be relived by anybody else.
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posted on
06/15/2007 9:33:45 AM PDT
by
hunter112
(Change will happen when very good men are forced to do very bad things.)
To: ExcursionGuy84
You are wasting your pixels. This poster just sprays his grafitti and moves on to the next pillar. He can’t be bothered responding to comments.
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posted on
06/15/2007 9:57:55 AM PDT
by
gcruse
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