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In some US cities, a revived push to let immigrants vote
Christian Science Monitor ^ | 6-18-07 | By Carol Huang

Posted on 06/18/2007 7:59:59 PM PDT by nckerr

Boston - No taxation without representation?

Residents in Boston, New York, and other cities are reviving America's famous battle cry for political revolution. In the midst of a stormy national debate on immigration, they're challenging the idea of excluding noncitizens on a front that's less noticed but equally contentious.

They want immigrants to vote.

While that idea may seem outrageous to many, it's less radical than it sounds to its supporters. They want to limit such voting to local races and referendums and, in most areas, to legal immigrants.

Supporters argue that noncitizens are long-term residents who care about the same local issues that citizens do: good schools, safe streets, reliable trash collection. Many pay taxes. Some are US military veterans.

"They're living there, they have their kids in school, they're working, they're contributing to the local economy," says Kathleen Coll, a cultural anthropologist at Stanford University in Palo Alto, Calif. "They're full, complete local citizens [who are] affected by local policies."

Six Maryland communities already allow the practice, Chicago lets legal immigrants vote for school board members.

(Excerpt) Read more at csmonitor.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aliens; americahaters; illegalvote; immigrantlist; immigration
This infuriates me.
1 posted on 06/18/2007 8:00:03 PM PDT by nckerr
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To: nckerr

Of course immigrants can vote. Right after they become citizens. They can even run for most political offices too.


2 posted on 06/18/2007 8:03:53 PM PDT by ndt
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To: ndt

Kathleen Coll says: “They’re full, complete local citizens [who are] affected by local policies.”
I doubt it.


3 posted on 06/18/2007 8:09:03 PM PDT by Abcdefg
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To: nckerr
“This infuriates me.”

This from Boston?? Infuriates puts it too mildly! When was the last time ANY conservative got any representation in MA. Did they ever? THey don't let their own citizens vote in MA, but they should let illegals?

When these perverts that run the rags called newspapers in Boston start advocating for citizens to have a vote, I might half listen to this garbage. It still won’t get them anywhere, but I might listen and then dispute it.

Nothing but hypocrites in this state.

4 posted on 06/18/2007 8:19:02 PM PDT by gidget7 (2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:)
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To: nckerr

“cultural anthropologist at Stanford University in Palo Alto, Calif. “They’re full, complete local citizens [who are] affected by local policies.””

She was probably the model for the anthropologists in “Krippendorf’s Tribe”.


5 posted on 06/18/2007 8:19:39 PM PDT by A Strict Constructionist (The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.)
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To: nckerr
Agreed. Why not just abolish American citizenship while we're at it, if we're going to allow foreigners to vote in OUR elections?

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

6 posted on 06/18/2007 8:21:08 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: nckerr

They don’t pay taxes anyway. We’re the only ones who pay taxes, but don’t get represented.


7 posted on 06/18/2007 8:28:56 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: Brilliant
Yep. The politicians tax us and then give our money to non-citizens. THAT is, in their lingo, "taxation with representation."

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

8 posted on 06/18/2007 8:31:17 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: nckerr

As a legal immigrant I was quite content to wait until I was a naturalized American citizen to vote...

Oh and at that time I was in the US military...

I wore my USAF uniform to the naturalization ceremony...

The first major election I participated in was for President Ronald Reagan...

This whole idea stinks..


9 posted on 06/18/2007 8:31:32 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: nckerr

Immigrants were allowed to vote in local elections in the 19th Century. It was wrong back then, and it is wrong now.


10 posted on 06/18/2007 8:32:07 PM PDT by Clemenza (Rudy Giuliani, like Pesto and Seattle, belongs in the scrap heap of '90s Culture)
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To: Tennessee Nana

Those of you who waited and then followed the rules to become a citizen are at the head of the list, IMHO, of those who are the most deserving to be upset at what the illegals have done and what the current government is doing to assist them.


11 posted on 06/18/2007 8:36:53 PM PDT by Michael.SF. ("The military Mission has long since been accomplished" -- Harry Reid, April 23, 2007)
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To: nckerr

Lets make sure we take away *every* perc to being a citizen. Then we will become merely a geographical location, instead of a nation.


12 posted on 06/18/2007 8:38:26 PM PDT by Grammy ("Ms Pelosi is a very difficult person to embarrass." Fred Thompson, 4/11/07)
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To: nckerr

What? Don’t you know illegals are already voting now? How do you think we got the Democrat Congress?


13 posted on 06/18/2007 8:38:38 PM PDT by 1lawlady (To G-d be the glory. Great things He has done!)
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To: nckerr
"No taxation without representation?"

Baloney! Only citizens and legal residents are allowed "representation" as such. No representation for illegal infiltrators!
14 posted on 06/18/2007 8:40:07 PM PDT by Texas_Jarhead (Just what is the deal with punctuation getting transformed into garbage after previewing one's post?)
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To: nckerr
While that idea may seem outrageous to many, it's less radical than it sounds to its supporters.

When is this not the case? What an idiotic statement.
15 posted on 06/18/2007 8:40:19 PM PDT by Jaysun (It's like people who hate corn bread and hate anchovies, but love cornchovie bread.)
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To: nckerr

They already have dead people voting. This should come as no surprise...


16 posted on 06/18/2007 8:41:35 PM PDT by KoRn (Just Say NO ....To Liberal Republicans - FRED THOMPSON FOR PRESIDENT!)
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To: nckerr

The day “immigrants” get to vote is the day we do EVERYTHING possible to quit paying taxes.


17 posted on 06/18/2007 8:41:37 PM PDT by goodnesswins (Being Challenged Builds Character! Being Coddled Destroys Character!)
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To: nckerr

August 10, 2004

Pat Buchanan, filling in for Scarborough on MSNBC, with guests Tom Tancredo and some liberal college professor named Ron Hayduk. Hayduk was promoting the idea that if you live in a place, whether you are a citizen there or not, you should have the right to vote.

BUCHANAN: Why, Congressman, in Washington, D.C., San Francisco, other cities—I happen to agree with you that it means something to be an American. But, in all these different cities, this movement is on the move. It is going. And lots of Americans say, well, they pay sales taxes. They pay income taxes. Why shouldn‘t they vote?

Are we losing the battle or what?

TANCREDO: Well, Pat, I don‘t know whether things are going our way or theirs. Sometimes I think we are. The momentum is on our side in terms of trying to establish the concept of borders being meaningful, America being a unique place on the planet. And sometimes I‘m worried about it.

But, of course, this whole idea of, they pay taxes, even Professor Hayduk said, well, if they‘re hardworking, taxpaying citizens. Well, what if they‘re not? Does that mean if you‘re here as an illegal immigrant, but on the dole, that you should not be able to vote? Of course not. Of course not.

(CROSSTALK)

TANCREDO: Anybody here should be allowed to vote. Is that not what he‘s really saying?

(CROSSTALK)

TANCREDO: Regardless of what your situation is.

Who should not be allowed to vote? Who should not be allowed to vote in this country?

BUCHANAN: Professor Hayduk, you want to answer that?

HAYDUK: Well, I would like to make two points. First, the majority of immigrants in this country are in fact legal.

(CROSSTALK)

TANCREDO: Who should not be allowed to vote? Who should not be allowed to vote?

(CROSSTALK)

HAYDUK: Voting was not originally tied to citizenship. Historically, think about it.

(CROSSTALK)

HAYDUK: African-Americans and women were denied the right to vote even though they were citizens.

(CROSSTALK)

HAYDUK: Voting is about political power.

The full transcript is linked to on my profile page. When I saw this interview with Hayduk and saw that this is what people support, it absolutely blew my mind. I couldn’t conceive that there were people in this world who actually think this way. This interview, and understanding that this is where the push was moving to, is what first got me really interested in illegal immigration.

The goal is to erase our borders. Build a one-world community.

Screw ‘em.


18 posted on 06/18/2007 8:45:11 PM PDT by SittinYonder (Ic ■Št gehate, ■Št ic heonon nelle fleon fotes trym, ac wille fur­or gan)
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To: nckerr

The voting booth is the one exclusive territory of US citizens. There will be no “guest voters” shaping our future. Can I go and vote in Mexico?


19 posted on 06/18/2007 9:58:44 PM PDT by Sender (I know I left my country around here somewhere. Reward if found.)
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To: nckerr
QUISLING: a synonym for traitor, someone who collaborates with the invaders of his country.


20 posted on 06/18/2007 10:04:20 PM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: nckerr
I would expect no less from people that keep sending Kennedy and Kerry to the congress. Liberals are arrogant, self-centered, emotionally driven, immature busybodies incapable of a logical train of thought long enough to ever have a chance of understanding exactly what it is that they are doing...but I’m being redundant.
21 posted on 06/18/2007 10:42:48 PM PDT by SeaWolf (Orwell must have foreseen the 21st Century Democratic Party when he wrote 1984)
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To: nckerr
#13
22 posted on 06/19/2007 4:53:21 AM PDT by philman_36
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To: nckerr
"They're living there, they have their kids in school, they're working, they're contributing to the local economy,..."

Fine. Great. Wonderful. Now let them take that extra step and become citizens, thus proving that they actually have a stake or investment in how their gov't is run. The problem with letting not-citizens vote is they don't have enough invested in this country to be trusted with such a responsibility.

We won't even discuss allowing illegals to vote.
23 posted on 06/19/2007 5:00:24 AM PDT by LIConFem (Thompson 2008. Lifetime ACU Rating: 86 -- Hunter 2008 (VP) Lifetime ACU Rating: 92)
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To: nckerr
Taxation without representation? They have a choice.

1. Apply for citizenship and once you complete the requirements and take the oath you may then vote. Welcome to America!

2. Go back to the country you came from and take your belongings with you.

3. Keep working and be thankful your not still living in India.

24 posted on 06/19/2007 5:16:49 AM PDT by nativist (Weigh into them!)
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To: nckerr

CITIZENSHIP 101: Citizens vote. Others do not.


25 posted on 06/19/2007 8:29:12 AM PDT by WOSG (Stop Z-visa amnesty!! 202-224-3121.)
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To: Abcdefg; nckerr
"They’re full, complete local citizens..."

That's obviously false, since the illegals aren't "citizens" by definition. The "full" and "complete" are just garbage weasel words only a "cultural anthropologist" (i.e., a psuedo-intellectual poseur) would believe serve as an argument.

The only good side of this debacle is that condescending elitists are being exposed.

26 posted on 06/19/2007 8:39:28 AM PDT by teawithmisswilliams (Basta, already!)
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ping


27 posted on 06/19/2007 9:09:04 AM PDT by gubamyster
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To: nckerr

Do we really need more reasons to call our representatives in Washington, D.C.?

Just say NO to Illegal Alien Amnesty!! Keep calling!! It’s NOT OVER!!

U.S. Senate switchboard: (202) 224-3121

U.S. House switchboard: (202) 225-3121

White House comments: (202) 456-1111

Find your House Rep.: http://www.house.gov/writerep

Find your US Senators: http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm


28 posted on 06/19/2007 9:32:48 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Fred Thompson/John Bolton 2008)
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To: nckerr

This is what it’s about for the Democrats.

Make them legal. Make them voters. Make them Democrats.

Once this happens, Democrats will be the majority party for 50 years. Just as they were after FDR’s New Deal brought millions over to the Democrats. And by the same method — buying their votes with government handouts paid for by our tax dollars.

Once the illegals are no longer illegal, one pre-selected federal judge can issue an order granting them the ability to vote. The jusge has likely already been selected. The briefs have certainly been written. All that remains is for the time to be “right”.

Do not ignore the fact that most here illegally are voting citizens of Mexico — and will remain so even after being legalized. How stupid must one be to overlook the obvious problem of having 20 or 30 million citizens of another nation voting in our elections? Especially when 90%+ are citizens of the same nation? Overnight, the government of Mexico would have as much or more voting clout than native-born black Americans.

This is a recipe for disaster to the American nation and the American people.


29 posted on 06/20/2007 4:50:20 PM PDT by dez (Giving resident visas to illegals is like giving car thieves legal title to the cars they steal)
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