Posted on 06/18/2007 7:59:59 PM PDT by nckerr
Boston - No taxation without representation?
Residents in Boston, New York, and other cities are reviving America's famous battle cry for political revolution. In the midst of a stormy national debate on immigration, they're challenging the idea of excluding noncitizens on a front that's less noticed but equally contentious.
They want immigrants to vote.
While that idea may seem outrageous to many, it's less radical than it sounds to its supporters. They want to limit such voting to local races and referendums and, in most areas, to legal immigrants.
Supporters argue that noncitizens are long-term residents who care about the same local issues that citizens do: good schools, safe streets, reliable trash collection. Many pay taxes. Some are US military veterans.
"They're living there, they have their kids in school, they're working, they're contributing to the local economy," says Kathleen Coll, a cultural anthropologist at Stanford University in Palo Alto, Calif. "They're full, complete local citizens [who are] affected by local policies."
Six Maryland communities already allow the practice, Chicago lets legal immigrants vote for school board members.
(Excerpt) Read more at csmonitor.com ...
Of course immigrants can vote. Right after they become citizens. They can even run for most political offices too.
Kathleen Coll says: “They’re full, complete local citizens [who are] affected by local policies.”
I doubt it.
This from Boston?? Infuriates puts it too mildly! When was the last time ANY conservative got any representation in MA. Did they ever? THey don't let their own citizens vote in MA, but they should let illegals?
When these perverts that run the rags called newspapers in Boston start advocating for citizens to have a vote, I might half listen to this garbage. It still won’t get them anywhere, but I might listen and then dispute it.
Nothing but hypocrites in this state.
“cultural anthropologist at Stanford University in Palo Alto, Calif. “They’re full, complete local citizens [who are] affected by local policies.””
She was probably the model for the anthropologists in “Krippendorf’s Tribe”.
"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus
They don’t pay taxes anyway. We’re the only ones who pay taxes, but don’t get represented.
"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus
As a legal immigrant I was quite content to wait until I was a naturalized American citizen to vote...
Oh and at that time I was in the US military...
I wore my USAF uniform to the naturalization ceremony...
The first major election I participated in was for President Ronald Reagan...
This whole idea stinks..
Immigrants were allowed to vote in local elections in the 19th Century. It was wrong back then, and it is wrong now.
Those of you who waited and then followed the rules to become a citizen are at the head of the list, IMHO, of those who are the most deserving to be upset at what the illegals have done and what the current government is doing to assist them.
Lets make sure we take away *every* perc to being a citizen. Then we will become merely a geographical location, instead of a nation.
What? Don’t you know illegals are already voting now? How do you think we got the Democrat Congress?
They already have dead people voting. This should come as no surprise...
The day “immigrants” get to vote is the day we do EVERYTHING possible to quit paying taxes.
August 10, 2004
Pat Buchanan, filling in for Scarborough on MSNBC, with guests Tom Tancredo and some liberal college professor named Ron Hayduk. Hayduk was promoting the idea that if you live in a place, whether you are a citizen there or not, you should have the right to vote.
BUCHANAN: Why, Congressman, in Washington, D.C., San Francisco, other cities—I happen to agree with you that it means something to be an American. But, in all these different cities, this movement is on the move. It is going. And lots of Americans say, well, they pay sales taxes. They pay income taxes. Why shouldn‘t they vote?
Are we losing the battle or what?
TANCREDO: Well, Pat, I don‘t know whether things are going our way or theirs. Sometimes I think we are. The momentum is on our side in terms of trying to establish the concept of borders being meaningful, America being a unique place on the planet. And sometimes I‘m worried about it.
But, of course, this whole idea of, they pay taxes, even Professor Hayduk said, well, if they‘re hardworking, taxpaying citizens. Well, what if they‘re not? Does that mean if you‘re here as an illegal immigrant, but on the dole, that you should not be able to vote? Of course not. Of course not.
(CROSSTALK)
TANCREDO: Anybody here should be allowed to vote. Is that not what he‘s really saying?
(CROSSTALK)
TANCREDO: Regardless of what your situation is.
Who should not be allowed to vote? Who should not be allowed to vote in this country?
BUCHANAN: Professor Hayduk, you want to answer that?
HAYDUK: Well, I would like to make two points. First, the majority of immigrants in this country are in fact legal.
(CROSSTALK)
TANCREDO: Who should not be allowed to vote? Who should not be allowed to vote?
(CROSSTALK)
HAYDUK: Voting was not originally tied to citizenship. Historically, think about it.
(CROSSTALK)
HAYDUK: African-Americans and women were denied the right to vote even though they were citizens.
(CROSSTALK)
HAYDUK: Voting is about political power.
The full transcript is linked to on my profile page. When I saw this interview with Hayduk and saw that this is what people support, it absolutely blew my mind. I couldn’t conceive that there were people in this world who actually think this way. This interview, and understanding that this is where the push was moving to, is what first got me really interested in illegal immigration.
The goal is to erase our borders. Build a one-world community.
Screw ‘em.
The voting booth is the one exclusive territory of US citizens. There will be no “guest voters” shaping our future. Can I go and vote in Mexico?
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