Nurses in Katrina Euthanasia Case Offered Immunity for Grand Jury Testimony

LifeSiteNews ^ | 6/21/07 | Hilary White

[P-40]

Are you saying that the patients were better off murdered rather than evacuated.

They would have been better off evacuated but that did not happen, obviously.

[P-40]

This thread is not about the campaign, 9/11 or underwear.

But the question remains the same.

[BykrBayb]

You only get to decide if your decision is to kill them. Any other choice would be judgemental. /s

[BykrBayb]

Well, ask it on a thread about whatever it was you were talking about.

[P-40]

Well, ask it on a thread about whatever it was you were talking about.

The question pertains to this thread. You sit there and judge the actions of these doctors and call them murderers. That simple moral absolute I find entertaining.

[Grizzled Bear]

If a terminally ill patient was flying low at a high velocity on an intended collision course with a building I guess the right thing to do would be to shoot them down.

So you would murder them?

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The only time killing is justified is to prevent the “target” from taking innocent life or as a penalty for a capital offense. A murderer (or one attempting to murder) is no longer innocent.

There is a huge difference between defending ones self (or others) and cold blooded murder.

If you don’t understand that then I have no wish to communicate with you.

Go with God, FRiend.

[BykrBayb]

I find your lack of humanity entertaining. I don’t see much of that since the bug zapper thread.

[Grizzled Bear]

Later, two doctors admitted that patients were euthanized, one doctor saying that he had fled the hospital rather than directly participate in killing patients.

Good doc! BQ, remember all this insanity down there?

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It would be easy to brand that man a coward but I won’t. I pray to God I would have the guts to at least try to protect the helpless...

[P-40]

If you don’t understand that then I have no wish to communicate with you.

Oh, I understand, and I also understand compassion. But I am glad to know that given the choice you would have approved of the decision to destroy the aircraft before it could hit the tower. Richard Clarke's little group never came to a decision.

[P-40]

I find your lack of humanity entertaining.

I find your lack of understanding for such basic concepts entertaining also.

[Grizzled Bear]

Are you saying that the patients were better off murdered rather than evacuated.

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They would have been better off evacuated but that did not happen, obviously.

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So let’s top one bad choice with an even worse one. Let’s kill the useless eaters!

Do you think if they chose to cut their patients throats they could have sold the morphine to the looters who were “Jonesin'?”

[BykrBayb]

Humanity’s problems cannot be solved mathematically.

[P-40]

So let’s top one bad choice with an even worse one.

IF the immediate death of the chronically ill patients WAS A CERTAINTY the compassionate thing to do would be to make them as comfortable as possible EVEN IF the administered dose was likely to kill them.

[P-40]

Humanity’s problems cannot be solved mathematically.

No one (except some mathematicians possibly) would make that sort of claim...but there are times when killing some to save many is just a choice that must be made. When President Bush gave the shoot down order on the morning of September the 11th, that was the choice he made. As far as we know, the permission was never used, but how would you have felt about him had an airliner been shot down?

[nicmarlo]

He may have done that by leaving. It was crazy times down there then. His own life may have been in danger, too. Who knows? By leaving, he’d have access to alert others.

[Grizzled Bear]

Oh, I understand, and I also understand compassion. But I am glad to know that given the choice you would have approved of the decision to destroy the aircraft before it could hit the tower.

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If I had the links I would provide them, but...

Recently there was a teen age girl who murdered her parents. IIRC her brother survived. She and her 20 something year old boyfriend found the parents “inconvenient.”

Years ago a woman in Texas drowned her children in the bath tub.

Within the last year another woman threw her children off of a bridge.

About 12 (?) years ago Susan Smith sent her children to the bottom of a lake in the car. She claimed a black man had car-jacked her.

Even in the case of the “Yeates woman” in Texas, where the claim was insanity, I believe that the victims were simply “inconvenient.”

So; would you kill a child who cramps your style? If you are employed by a hospital would you kill your charges or would you try to save them? When you see suffering in an orphanage what do you see as the correct solution?

A few weeks ago I had to have a cat put down. He had been sick, on and off, for a year. I don’t think I ever had a more difficult task to do. If I had to go through it again I guess I would have to do the same thing. But I would never do it with a human being. A human is made in the image of God. I had that cat for over 16 years and I loved him, but he was not made in God’s image.

[hoosierham]

And I suppose the decision NOT to immediately evacuate the buildings made sense?Many of those who died did so because of the delay in getting out.Immediately after the first plane hit and large fire started,the building evacuation should have begun.

AS for murdering patients in their beds,the staff would have showed courage if they fought hard to save the patients at the risk of losing their jobs by calling for evacuation earlier and not accepting no for an answer.How much braver to have demanded the patients be moved and threatened to,and if needed,resigned the jobs and gone to the news media and to the city officials.. Any amoral animal can bite and kill if it finds itself backed into a corner.People,especially highly trained,educated doctors and nurses ,who use their brains try to avoid being forced into corners.

The doctors and nurses involved should lose their licenses and their freedom.

[BykrBayb]

I had that cat for over 16 years and I loved him, but he was not made in God’s image.

I hope you never told that to the cat. They have fragile egos, you know. ; )

[P-40]

None of your examples are relevant. Simple greed or inconvenience is not part of the discussion here. Your profile says you were in the USAF. If you were in a fighter, back in the pre-Clinton era when they still carried weapons, and saw an aircraft on its way to hit the WTC and you had a clear shot...would you have fired? One shot, possibly, and all that death and suffering could have been avoided...except for an unfortunate few. Horrible situation to be in and you should not have to be in it...but there you are. In many ways, those doctors may have been in the same situation.

[BykrBayb]

Your example is irrelevent. These patients weren’t killed to save the lives of a greater number of people. If you want a relevent hypothetical example from 9/11, here’s one a little closer to this situation. Should the firemen going into the burning buildings have brought with them lethal injections, for any victims they couldn’t save?