Tennessee poised to become first state to require universal carding on beer sales

Kingsport (TN) Times News ^ | June 22, 2007 | Rain Smith

[i_dont_chat]

A big howdy to Middle Tennessee.

[Sig Sauer P220]

Does this mean that Illegal Aliens will no longer be able to buy beer in TN? This could start a nation-wide trend to help solve our illegal immigrant problem. If illegals were denied access to their drink of choice, they would surely go home.

Maybe thats their real intent, without looking like they’re profiling.

[don-o]

NY state cards anyone under the age of thirty. Not much new here.

Clever. Uh, how do y'all decide who under thirty? Help us ignorant hillbillies out with that.

[B Knotts]

When are we going to rid ourselves of the nanny state?

[don-o]

When are we going to rid ourselves of the nanny state?

That my FRiend, is THE question. I fear it is too late.

[tioga]

LOL, it’s not that easy. I just didn’t have to card grandma or anyone with wrinkles. Our registers basically required a birth-date entered, so we asked for their valid license. I think after I left they required it from all the customers whatever the age. Then if the booze ends up with a minor, the receipt shows you asked for ID and entered a valid birth-date. Of course, the cameras recorded everything as well.

[don-o]

Require ID to buy beer, but do they require ID to vote?

Yes. A driving license will do. Oops, we already gave them to illegals...

[GailA]

How about presenting a photo ID to vote! I could go for that.

[edweena]

I went to a nearby small liquor store one Saturday night to buy the fixings for sangria. Clearly you're not carded before being allowed in the parking lot. There were quite a few young people out there waiting in cars. If I didn't know how well carding works to stop underage drinking, I might have assumed that they were going to a party to drink with their twenty-one year-old friends, who were inside buying legal alcohol. Especially since we're not far from a university.

But teenagers and twenty-year-olds never have friends over twenty-one. That's why obsessive carding works so well. Maybe carding in the parking lot would work even better. It's not like those who can legally buy alcohol could drive it to a party where there were underage drinkers. Nannyism has had great results.

1999
Drinking in America: Myths, Realities, and Prevention Policy UPDATED FOR 1999 NATIONAL HOUSEHOLD SURVEY DATA "Most young people reported to the National Household Survey that they had not had anything to drink in the last month. About 94 percent of 12- to 14-year-olds reported that they had not drunk alcohol while 75 percent of 15- to 17-year-olds and 52 percent of 18- to 20-year-olds reported that they had not drunk in the preceding month."

2005
Results from the 2005 National Survey on Drug Use and Health: National Findings "In 2005, rates of current alcohol use were 4.2 percent among persons aged 12 or 13, 15.1 percent of persons aged 14 or 15, 30.1 percent of 16 or 17 year olds, 51.1 percent of those aged 18 to 20, and 67.4 percent of 21 to 25 year olds (Figure 3.1)."

[Old Professer]

Jose s’no gonna’ like ‘iss!

[Old Professer]

Free train rides always sound good until you arrive at the wrong destination.

[Extremely Extreme Extremist]

This won't do anything to stop underage drinking but it will incovenience a lot of people.

Teens can easily have someone older pick up the beer for them. It's that simple.

Underage drinking is a problem because of age 21. Lower the drinking age to 19 and underage drinking will decline.

[Old Professer]

Freud and his slips ain’t got nothin’ on them.

[Old Professer]

[tpaine]

B Knotts
When are we going to rid ourselves of the nanny state?

That my FRiend, is THE question. I fear it is too late.
don-o

"- the historically and politically unique civilization that was born at Concord Bridge - and specifically constituted to prevent travesties like alcohol Prohibition, business Prohibition, drug Prohibition, or weapon Prohibition - is headed nowhere now but toward an increasingly oppressive police state that has already nullified everything the Founding Fathers, and the Bill of Rights they left us, once stood for.

When You Wish Upon a Star ..., by L. Neil Smith

Address:http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1854121/posts

[dljordan]

“I was in the Chattanooga area this past week. Very lovely with mountains, streams and lots of trees. As we flew in to Chattanooga, I noticed a curious water impoundment on the top of a mountain, looking like a small power dam. Any idea what this is ?”

Probably Raccoon Mtn. They pump watter up during off-peak hours and use it to produce power during peak hours. I worked down there during the seventies raising a TVA tug that had sunk on the Tennessee river.

[Eric in the Ozarks]

They have one of these in SE Missouri, or at least, did have. Ameren/UE, the St. Louis utility, somehow overfilled the reservoir and it blew out the dam, sending billions of gallons downhill, destroying a state park.

[bcsco]

iT’S DUMB, DUMB, DUMB!!!!!

Absolutely! They think they're solving something, but that's so far from the truth to be laughable.

All it does is inhibit law abiding and adult citizens. It has no affect on underage drinking.

But for some jerk in office who thinks coming up with stupid legislation makes his district feel good; well it fills the bill (from his standpoint). Only he's so far out of touch it's ridiculous.

[laid_back_panic_attack]

This legislation might cause some hardship for rural and small-town stores. A problem that I am anticipating is that these small establishments will be much more burdened than larger stores in that they mostly see the same people every day. When these “regulars” are being carded every time, of course they will be upset—but the store owners/operators will be tempted to let them slide on the ID-ing.

The problem arises in that law enforcement agencies are using violators as “undercover” agents as part of the conditions of expungement of offenses. As soon as the store owner/operator lets one of his/her “regulars” slide regarding the showing of an ID, they might lose their license to sell alcohol and be fined.

This surely will cause much heartache for smaller businesses.

[bcsco]

This surely will cause much heartache for smaller businesses.

I agree. And you describe well the situation we face in my small town in Northern Illinois. It's even been a topic at our weekly Kiwanis breakfast when it was being practiced.