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No amnesty for this bill
Recordnet.com ^ | June 20, 2007 6:00 AM | Debra Saunders

Posted on 06/24/2007 2:45:48 PM PDT by Syncro

No amnesty for this bill
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By Debra Saunders
San Francisco Chronicle
June 20, 2007 6:00 AM

There's a way in which journalists insert how they think Americans should stand on an issue, and you see it in stories on the Kennedy-Kyl immigration bill that has tanked so spectacularly in Washington.

Many newspapers reported that opinion polls showed voters supported "major provisions" of the measure - usually without mentioning that polls also found voters opposed the bill than supported it.

That gets in the way of the pet media narrative: popular pro-immigrant bill torpedoed by what the Los Angeles Times called a "vocal minority."

A New York Times story explained how grass-roots conservatives toppled the measure, even though "public opinion polls, including a New York Times-CBS News poll conducted last month, showed broad support among Americans for the bill's major provisions."

What a crock. If this bill were popular, Washington politicians would have passed it in a heartbeat. If the bill were popular among Democrats, as bill supporters suggest, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., would be pushing for another vote, instead of daring President Bush to champion the measure.

Here's something The New York Times story forgot to mention: Its poll also found that 69 percent of Americans think illegal immigrants should be prosecuted and deported.

No story there, I see. Pollster Scott Rasmussen found that 50 percent of voters opposed the immigration bill, while only 23 percent approved of it.

While most Americans might support giving illegal immigrants the ability to become citizens if they work and have no criminal record - a major provision cited in widely reported polls - what voters really want is less illegal immigration and stronger border enforcement.

Rasmussen found only 16 percent of voters believed the Kennedy-Kyl bill would do that.

Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., a supporter of the failed immigration bill, during a San Francisco news conference on June 12, repeated the vocal-minority vs. silent-majority argument, when he said, "A majority of Americans support our proposal.

"I understand there's a very intense minority, that this is their No. 1 emotional issue. I wish we could have more rational, more dignified dialogue on this issue throughout the country."

When I asked McCain if he meant to imply that bill opponents are irrational and emotional, he answered, "I didn't mean to imply that at all."

I'm not the first person to wonder if Bush, McCain and Democrats who support Kennedy-Kyl would have stood a better chance getting an immigration bill passed if they simply had called the bill an "amnesty" measure and made their case to the American people.

McCain would have none of that. He repeated his argument that the Kennedy-Kyl bill isn't an amnesty bill for illegal immigrants - because they would have to return to their country of origin, learn English and pay a fine.

The status quo, he added, represents "silent amnesty," as it allows an estimated 12 million illegal immigrants to stay in America anyway.

Points well-taken, except "silent amnesty" doesn't confer citizenship.

As former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney said at the last Republican debate, "It's simply not fair to say those people get put ahead in the line of all the people who've been waiting legally to come to this country."

Besides, the Senate began work on this bill with the goal of legalizing illegal immigrants - not with an eye toward beefing up border enforcement.

Voters know that. Last week, CNN's Jack Cafferty repeated the bogus narrative: "A new poll shows a majority of Americans support allowing illegal immigrants to become citizens if they pay fines, learn English and meet other requirements. How will this affect the stalled immigration bill?"

The answer is: It will have no effect whatsoever, because Washington pols know what many journalists cannot begin to grasp. American voters don't want this bill. They want less, not more, illegal immigration.

Saunders is a columnist for the San Francisco Chronicle. Her e-mail address is dsaunders@sfchronicle.com.

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TOPICS: Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: illegal; illegalimmigration; immigrationbill; kennedy; kyl; mccain; vampirebill; votersdontwant
This article was referenced in This Thread and it was mentioned it should be posted as a stand alone post.

Here's something The New York Times story forgot to mention: Its poll also found that 69 percent of Americans think illegal immigrants should be prosecuted and deported.

No story there, I see. Pollster Scott Rasmussen found that 50 percent of voters opposed the immigration bill, while only 23 percent approved of it.


1 posted on 06/24/2007 2:45:51 PM PDT by Syncro
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To: MizSterious; blam; mewzilla

FYI


2 posted on 06/24/2007 2:47:56 PM PDT by Syncro (Gonzo for President! (Hunter Thompson : >)
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To: Syncro
No amnesty for this bill

And no amnesty for any politician, Dem or Republican, who votes for cloture. We will hound them until 2012 if necessary.

3 posted on 06/24/2007 2:52:38 PM PDT by dirtboy (Impeach Chertoff and Gonzales. We can't wait until 2009 for them to be gone.)
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To: Syncro; All

Watch them shove this travesty down our throats during the

4th of July break! If it does, there must be he!! to pay

for this!


4 posted on 06/24/2007 2:53:57 PM PDT by TMSuchman (American by birth, Rebel by choice, Marine by act of GOD!)
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To: Syncro

Syncro—thanks so much for posting this one! I agree, it deserves its own thread!


5 posted on 06/24/2007 2:55:57 PM PDT by MizSterious (Recovering Bushbot)
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To: MizSterious

Bump :)


6 posted on 06/24/2007 3:03:24 PM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: Syncro
"There's a way in which journalists insert how they think Americans should stand on an issue, and you see it in stories on the Kennedy-Kyl immigration bill that has tanked so spectacularly in Washington."

There certainly is, and they know how to twist lots of other statistics, too. Any time you read or hear something about how "the American people" feel about any issue, read or hear it with the caveat that whoever is "reporting" it probably has an agenda to push. This column explains the process beautifully.

7 posted on 06/24/2007 3:08:41 PM PDT by MizSterious (Recovering Bushbot)
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To: Syncro
McCain would have none of that. He repeated his argument that the Kennedy-Kyl bill isn't an amnesty bill for illegal immigrants - because they would have to return to their country of origin, learn English and pay a fine.

Has McCain even read this bill?

The moment it is signed, it gives illegals status and prohibits their being deported.

What part of that is NOT amnesty?

McCain, Bush, Specter, Snow, Graham, Lott, etc., keep pushing that same lie, that this is not amnesty.

The returning to country of origin, learning English, paying a fine only happen if the illegal wants to file for a Z-VISA -- which is not required by the bill. Thus, an illegal who choses not to file for a Z-VISA gets legal status anyway, just by saying he was here before the magic date (January 1, 2007?) in the bill.
8 posted on 06/24/2007 3:11:42 PM PDT by TomGuy
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To: Syncro

bump


9 posted on 06/24/2007 3:15:32 PM PDT by VOA
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To: Syncro
The status quo, he added, represents "silent amnesty," as it allows an estimated 12 million illegal immigrants to stay in America anyway.

"Silent amnesty" is the new scare-word the proponents have found.

If the bill isn't passed, "silent amnesty" happens. Owwwwwwwww. Scary. So Congress has gotta pass this bill --- and give them immediate legal status (but that isn't amnesty?) !
10 posted on 06/24/2007 3:15:37 PM PDT by TomGuy
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To: Syncro

” Here’s something The New York Times story forgot to mention: Its poll also found that 69 percent of Americans think illegal immigrants should be prosecuted and deported.

No story there, I see. Pollster Scott Rasmussen found that 50 percent of voters opposed the immigration bill, while only 23 percent approved of it. “

Appears Congress need’s deportin first ....then we can get around to the country’s priorities!!!!


11 posted on 06/24/2007 3:21:54 PM PDT by mo
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To: TomGuy
If the bill isn't passed, "silent amnesty" happens.

In other words: We get the same old non security on the border that Washington has been giving us for far too long.

Which is why we need to do some SERIOUS house cleaning in DeeCee. Top to botton, left to right.

Then maybe we'll get some people - representatives - who understand who it is they work for.

Then we'll get border security... and then maybe, after many years, we can talk about Legal immigration reform.

12 posted on 06/24/2007 3:30:35 PM PDT by AFreeBird (Will NOT vote for Rudy. <--- notice the period)
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To: dirtboy
I Didn't think there was a reporter at the SF Chronicle that had an ounce of common sense..well, here's one. Bush and his water-boys have lied about this bill from day one. We all knew border security was long on words and very short on action. As proof, Bush tried to offer 4.4 Billion to speed up border security in exchange for amnesty. The fact is there's NO need for another bill. Congress last yr approved funding for over 800 miles of fencing. This current bill has only funding for 340 miles. There was NO effort on Bush’s part to see that a fence was in place despite congress’approval. Now, Bush is trying to make us believe that he’s serious?? Please, spare me your sense of commitment.
13 posted on 06/24/2007 3:35:21 PM PDT by boilinghot
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To: AFreeBird
Which is why we need to do some SERIOUS house cleaning in DeeCee. Top to botton, left to right.

Many of the loyalist pubbies didnt like it, but that house cleaning started in 06. At the looks of things, even more cleaning will happen in 08. Even so, it will take another 4-6 years of cleaning to finally get a new Senate.
14 posted on 06/24/2007 3:43:45 PM PDT by TomGuy
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To: TomGuy
Many of the loyalist pubbies didnt like it, but that house cleaning started in 06. At the looks of things, even more cleaning will happen in 08. Even so, it will take another 4-6 years of cleaning to finally get a new Senate.

I'm really okay with that. I'm for the Republic before any party. And the Republic has an infection. An infection of a Political Class who consider themselves above the people they work for.

This has been going on for far too long as I mentioned, and it NEEDS to change. Otherwise the Republic will be lost.

15 posted on 06/24/2007 3:49:35 PM PDT by AFreeBird (Will NOT vote for Rudy. <--- notice the period)
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To: Syncro

STOP AMNESTY NOW!! WE CAN DO IT!!

16 posted on 06/24/2007 7:00:13 PM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: Syncro

Just say NO to Illegal Alien Amnesty!! Keep calling!! It’s NOT OVER!!

U.S. Senate switchboard: (202) 224-3121

U.S. House switchboard: (202) 225-3121

White House comments: (202) 456-1111

Find your House Rep.: http://www.house.gov/writerep

Find your US Senators: http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm


17 posted on 06/24/2007 7:52:27 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Fred Thompson/John Bolton 2008)
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