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FRED OR DUNCAN
N/A ^ | 26 June 2007 | NAPSCOORDINATOR

Posted on 06/26/2007 1:00:05 PM PDT by napscoordinator

A discussion thread about Fred vs Duncan


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; Politics/Elections; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: conservative; duncanhunter; election; electionpresident; familyvalues; fredthompson; morals; neither
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I have witnessed a hugh fight between Hunter supporters vs Fred supporters. It is getting pretty ridiculous and thought this would be a great way to discuss this.
1 posted on 06/26/2007 1:00:06 PM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: napscoordinator

Whichever one supports E-X-T-R-A-C-T-I-O-N of illegals gets my vote, maybe two or three.


2 posted on 06/26/2007 1:01:13 PM PDT by samadams2000 (Someone important make......The Call!)
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To: napscoordinator

Yes!!


3 posted on 06/26/2007 1:01:23 PM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: napscoordinator; Jim Robinson

Very curious as to your comments. I will have to wait until tomorrow to find out but I am most curious.


4 posted on 06/26/2007 1:01:32 PM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: napscoordinator

I’ve learned a lot about Duncan Hunter because I’ve seen him at work. I don’t really know much about Fred.


5 posted on 06/26/2007 1:01:39 PM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: napscoordinator

Hunter because consistency counts.


6 posted on 06/26/2007 1:01:46 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Greed is NOT a conservative ideal.)
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To: napscoordinator

Some of us would happily support either -


7 posted on 06/26/2007 1:02:27 PM PDT by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA (Rudy met his third wife when he was cheating on his first wife with his second wife." Jay Leno)
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To: napscoordinator
Q: FRED OR DUNCAN

A: YES... both?

8 posted on 06/26/2007 1:02:57 PM PDT by infidel29 (Amnesia International: Forget about the atrocities of the left, they meant well.)
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To: napscoordinator; SE Mom; jellybean; jdm; RockinRight; Politicalmom
Fred actually can win. Duncan is a genuinely good man and would make a great SecDef.


9 posted on 06/26/2007 1:03:20 PM PDT by Petronski (imwithfred.com)
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To: napscoordinator; All

Note:

No one from either side should flame the other. Support your man. Support conservatism. Do not run down our conservative candidates. May the best conservative win.

Thanks,

Jim


10 posted on 06/26/2007 1:03:24 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Our God-given unalienable rights are not open to debate, negotiation or compromise!)
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To: napscoordinator

How about Fred and Duncan?


11 posted on 06/26/2007 1:03:27 PM PDT by scott7278 (Free soil, free labor, free speech, free men!)
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To: WhyisaTexasgirlinPA
Some of us would happily support either -

I agree.

12 posted on 06/26/2007 1:03:32 PM PDT by The Blitherer (What would a Free Man do?)
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To: napscoordinator

Fred and Duncan would be my dream team


13 posted on 06/26/2007 1:03:36 PM PDT by jim from nebraska
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To: napscoordinator

I vote Duncan. Veteran, life time conservative with fire in his belly for the job.


14 posted on 06/26/2007 1:03:38 PM PDT by berstbubble
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To: TexasCajun

I agree. “Fred or Duncan?” Answer: Yes.


15 posted on 06/26/2007 1:03:46 PM PDT by pogo101
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To: WhyisaTexasgirlinPA

They are both way ahead of the pack in my mind. I’d like to see them team up for ‘08.


16 posted on 06/26/2007 1:03:47 PM PDT by gpapa
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To: napscoordinator
Here's something more than the rhetoric we're seeing from "Fredheads." Let's have a look at the evidence.

from Thompson’s voting record on immigration with only two terms in office.
http://profiles.numbersusa.com/improfile.php3?DistSend=TN&VIPID=743

Voted in 1996 to continue chain migration

Voted to strip legal reforms from 1996 bill

Voted in favor of chain migration in 1996

Voted for a foreign worker bill with no anti-fraud measures in 2000.

As Committee member, produced H-1B doubling bill in 1998

Nearly doubled H-1B foreign high-tech workers in 1998

Voted in committee against including worker safeguards in H-1B bill in 1998

Voted to allow firms to lay off Americans to make room for foreign workers in 1998

Voted to allow firms to lay off Americans to make room for foreign workers in 1998

Voted to grant amnesty to close to one million illegal aliens from Nicaragua and Cuba in 1997

In 1996, removed higher fines for businesses which hire illegal aliens

Tried to kill voluntary pilot programs for workplace verification in 1996

Fred Thompson is Chairman of Condoleeza Rice’s International Security Advisory Board in the State Dept. (see information below).

Duncan Hunter: Vietnam combat veteran, 173rd Airborne and 75th Army Rangers, Bronze Star, and Chairman of the House Armed Services Committee until the Democrat majority was voted in during the 2006 election. Congressman Hunter continues to work in the Armed Services Committee.

Fred Thompson:
Fred Thompson voted in favor of the "1997 McCain-Feingold
overhaul of campaign finance."

Fred Thompson's record on immigration:

* Voted YES on allowing more foreign workers into the US for farm work. (Jul 1998)
* Voted YES on visas for skilled workers. (May 1998)
* Voted YES on limit welfare for immigrants. (Jun 1997)

Duncan Hunter's record on immigration:

* Voted YES on preventing tipping off Mexicans about Minuteman Project. (Jun 2006)
* Voted YES on reporting illegal aliens who receive hospital treatment. (May 2004)
* Voted NO on extending Immigrant Residency rules. (May 2001)
* Voted NO on more immigrant visas for skilled workers. (Sep 1998)
* Rated 100% by FAIR, indicating a voting record restricting immigration. (Dec 2003)


Fred Thompson:

* Voted YES on extending free trade to Andean nations. (May 2002)
* Voted YES on granting normal trade relations status to Vietnam. (Oct 2001)
* Voted NO on removing common goods from national security export rules. (Sep 2001)
* Voted YES on permanent normal trade relations with China. (Sep 2000)
* Voted YES on expanding trade to the third world. (May 2000)
* Voted YES on renewing 'fast track' presidential trade authority. (Nov 1997)
* Voted YES on imposing trade sanctions on Japan for closed market. (May 1995)

Duncan Hunter:

* Voted NO on implementing CAFTA, Central America Free Trade. (Jul 2005)
* Voted YES on implementing US-Australia Free Trade Agreement. (Jul 2004)
* Voted NO on implementing US-Singapore free trade agreement. (Jul 2003)
* Voted NO on implementing free trade agreement with Chile. (Jul 2003)
* Voted YES on withdrawing from the WTO. (Jun 2000)
* Voted NO on 'Fast Track' authority for trade agreements. (Sep 1998)
* Rated 24% by CATO, indicating a pro-fair trade voting record. (Dec 2002)

Fred Thompson:

* Voted YES on permanent normal trade relations with China. (Sep 2000) [under "Free Trade"]

Duncan Hunter:

* Voted NO on Permanent Normal Trade Relations with China. (May 2000) [under "Foreign Policy]

http://www.state.gov/t/isn/isab/

International Security Advisory Board (ISAB)

The Secretary of State’s International Security Advisory Board (formerly called the Arms Control and Nonproliferation Advisory Board (ACNAB)) provides the Department with independent insight and advice on all aspects of arms control, disarmament, international security, and related aspects of public diplomacy. The ISAB is sponsored and overseen by the Under Secretary for Arms Control and International Security. The Board provides its recommendations directly to the Secretary of State. The Board currently has 20 members and is chartered to have up to 25. Board members are national security experts with scientific, military, diplomatic, and political backgrounds. The Board meets in a plenary session on a quarterly basis.

Updated: April 19, 2007

http://www.state.gov/t/isn/isab/c17650.htm

Board Members

Senator Fred Thompson (Chairman)
— Dr. Michael R. Anastasio
— Dr. Kathleen Bailey
— Dr. Ashton B. Carter
— Ms. Alison B. Fortier
— Dr. William Graham
— Amb. Robert Joseph
— Mr. Mitchel B. Kugler
— Dr. Ronald F. Lehman, II
— Vice Admiral Robert R. Monroe, U.S. Navy (Ret.)
— Dr. Gordon C. Oehler
— Dr. Keith B. Payne
— Dr. Robert L. Pfaltzgraff, Jr.
— Senator Charles S. Robb
— Dr. C. Paul Robinson
— Dr. Amy Sands
— Dr. James R. Schlesinger
— Dr. William Schneider, Jr
— Dr. William Van Cleave
— Mr. R. James Woolsey

17 posted on 06/26/2007 1:04:01 PM PDT by familyop (Duncan Hunter for President!)
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To: napscoordinator

It looks like a win/win to me. I refuse to punch any holes in what might turn out to be my life boat, with McCain being the slight exception.


18 posted on 06/26/2007 1:04:14 PM PDT by Niteranger68 (Amnesty….NO MEANS NO!)
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To: napscoordinator

Frankly, in the end, I would prefer BOTH!


19 posted on 06/26/2007 1:04:22 PM PDT by gidget7 ( Vote for the Arsenal of Democracy, because America RUNS on Duncan!)
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To: napscoordinator

I like them both. I just think Fred has more name recognition, and thus a better chance to be the nominee.

I don’t get all the infighting this early over particular candidates.


20 posted on 06/26/2007 1:04:46 PM PDT by Theresawithanh (With an F, and an R, and an E, and a D, and an F-R-E-D...FRED!!!!!!!!)
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To: Jim Robinson

Can we still beat up on Rootie and McQueeg? ;~)


21 posted on 06/26/2007 1:05:20 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Greed is NOT a conservative ideal.)
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To: napscoordinator

I like them both. A lot. I hope we can settle on one or the other so we can unite to knock out Rudy AND Hillary!!


22 posted on 06/26/2007 1:05:23 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Our God-given unalienable rights are not open to debate, negotiation or compromise!)
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To: napscoordinator
It is getting pretty ridiculous and thought this would be a great way to discuss this.

Gee, I wonder why. As someone who routinely comes on to Fred threads and lays a turd on them and then you wonder why you gets attack.

23 posted on 06/26/2007 1:05:27 PM PDT by Always Right
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To: napscoordinator

why not both? Thompson / Hunter in ‘08......


24 posted on 06/26/2007 1:05:57 PM PDT by joe fonebone (Nothin' from Nothin' leaves Nothin')
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To: jim from nebraska

Duncan is my first choice. Realistically though Fred stands a far better chance of getting elected so ... read my tag line


25 posted on 06/26/2007 1:06:03 PM PDT by clamper1797 (Fred Thompson / Duncan Hunter in 2008)
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To: P-40

The only thing I know is that Fred is probably 5 times more electable than Duncan Hunter. But, Hunter is a very, very, fine man and we would be served well with him being in the White House.


26 posted on 06/26/2007 1:06:18 PM PDT by no dems (Ted Kennedy's car has killed more people than my gun.)
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To: cripplecreek

Be my guest. It’s open season on libs, rinos and turncoats.


27 posted on 06/26/2007 1:06:49 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Our God-given unalienable rights are not open to debate, negotiation or compromise!)
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To: napscoordinator

I’d prefer Duncan, but think Fred is more plausible.


28 posted on 06/26/2007 1:07:26 PM PDT by Clam Digger
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To: Jim Robinson
"Do not run down our conservative candidates."

Does that include posting voting record facts about a candidate? Or are those not allowed to be seen here?

I've been flamed quite a few times for posting the facts.


29 posted on 06/26/2007 1:07:39 PM PDT by familyop (Duncan Hunter for President!)
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To: Jim Robinson

Thank you. I must admit that perhaps I need to take your words to heart. I probably am guilty of doing that a bit.
Thanks again!


30 posted on 06/26/2007 1:07:42 PM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: Jim Robinson
Do not run down our conservative candidates. May the best conservative win.


31 posted on 06/26/2007 1:08:39 PM PDT by Clam Digger
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To: napscoordinator

I like Hunter’s position on China and illegal immigration way more than Thompson’s. Hunter also seems to be a tad more tough on Defense than Thompson.

But Thompson is perfectly good on all issues and totally qualifies for me.

Thompson however is more presidential than Hunter. Thompson is media savvy, charming, an excellent speaker and has the stuff to be a winner in the general election. Thompson also mangages to rally Republicans.

In the primaries my vote will likely go to Hunter, just to prep him up. I expect Thompson to win the primaries, but I hope that Hunter get a cabinet post (SecDef) or runs as VP with Thompson.

The recent fights on FR between Duncanistas and Fredheads were nasty and often on gutter level. It’s a shame to see the supporters of two good candidates getting at each other.

I hope we could get the two best candidates somehow on a ticket.


32 posted on 06/26/2007 1:09:20 PM PDT by SolidWood (UN delenda est.)
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To: Always Right

Keep reading...


33 posted on 06/26/2007 1:09:42 PM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: napscoordinator

I am supporting Duncan, because I agree with him on abotu 90%+ of his record and stances, Fred I give andbout 75% to 80%. I could vote for him, but why with Duncan in the race.


34 posted on 06/26/2007 1:09:54 PM PDT by Hydroshock (Duncan Hunter For President, checkout gohunter08.com.)
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To: no dems

I guess when (if?) he formally declares I’ll look into his record more...but he does have the name recognition and that goes a long way.


35 posted on 06/26/2007 1:10:11 PM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: samadams2000

Vote early, vote often.


36 posted on 06/26/2007 1:10:51 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Our God-given unalienable rights are not open to debate, negotiation or compromise!)
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To: Jim Robinson

The key word is unite. There’s no need for Thompson or Hunter supporters to be firing at each other. That makes no sense.

We should fire away at RINO’s and Dems, but please, we don’t need anymore friendly fire!


37 posted on 06/26/2007 1:11:26 PM PDT by scott7278 (Free soil, free labor, free speech, free men!)
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To: napscoordinator
Well, it’s hard to support Fred Thompson at this juncture, since nobody knows what his positions will be. He is popular because he is the repository of the hopes of disaffected Republicans who are currently less than enamored of the declared contenders. Hunter would probably make an excellent president, but unfortunately he hasn't any money...and we all know it comes down to money.
38 posted on 06/26/2007 1:12:36 PM PDT by americanophile
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To: napscoordinator

I like them both.I know more about Duncan Hunter than FDT.When FDT announces we will see what happens.The media complex does not want people to get to know Duncan Hunter because if that happened Hunter would be alot higher in the polls.The two candidates would make a hell of a team would they not?


39 posted on 06/26/2007 1:13:04 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Defeat liberalism, its the right thing to do for America.)
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To: gpapa; The Blitherer

I admit to having no knowledge of Duncan Hunter prior to this spring - there is still plenty of time for him to gain recognition. I think he and Thompson would be an amazing ticket.


40 posted on 06/26/2007 1:13:09 PM PDT by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA (Rudy met his third wife when he was cheating on his first wife with his second wife." Jay Leno)
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To: napscoordinator

I’m liking Hunter because of his background—conservative on issues, military background, his past and present voting record.


41 posted on 06/26/2007 1:13:29 PM PDT by lilylangtree (Veni, Vidi, Vici)
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To: napscoordinator

Would vote for either. Fred is more electable, and thus primary time he gets my vote.


42 posted on 06/26/2007 1:14:48 PM PDT by LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget (God punishes Conservatives by making them argue with fools.)
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http://www.gohunter08.com/


43 posted on 06/26/2007 1:15:04 PM PDT by plinker's2sense
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To: napscoordinator

Both. Although I like a Thompson/Watts ticket, I believe Hunter, should be around in an advisory capacity.


44 posted on 06/26/2007 1:15:57 PM PDT by YdontUleaveLibs (Reason is out to lunch. How may I help you?)
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To: americanophile
Well, it’s hard to support Fred Thompson at this juncture, since nobody knows what his positions will be. He is popular because he is the repository of the hopes of disaffected Republicans who are currently less than enamored of the declared contenders.

Fred is popular because he articulates conservative views better than the other candidates and his supporters know his views.

Hunter would probably make an excellent president, but unfortunately he hasn't any money...and we all know it comes down to money.

Which is an odd statement considering Fred has moved to the top without spending money. Hunter just did not get it done.

45 posted on 06/26/2007 1:17:00 PM PDT by Always Right
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To: napscoordinator
I think that head to head, Duncan is the better choice, but I can embrace Fred if he gets the nom.

As long as Mitt and Rudy loose, I’m good.

46 posted on 06/26/2007 1:17:23 PM PDT by HEY4QDEMS (Sarchasm: The gulf between the author of sarcastic wit and the person who doesn't get it.)
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To: napscoordinator
By the time the National Conventions roll around, the amnesty bill will probably be signed and become law. Does Fred or Duncan have the ability to create a new plan that includes our new citizens so they don’t all become pawns of the liberals? Do either of them speak Spanish?
47 posted on 06/26/2007 1:17:24 PM PDT by Dixie Yooper (Ephesians 6:11)
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To: napscoordinator

I prefer Duncan Hunter because of his political experience, his military experience, his unwavering position on illegal immigration and the need for a secure border, his leadership, and his position on the War Against Islamo-terrorism. I think he is by far and away the best political hope for continued conservative values in this nation. I will continue to support him over any other GOP candidate, until he either wins the nomination or until he removes himself from the race. If the latter, then and only then will I consider another candidate, and at this point, it would likely be Fred Thompson. The rest of the candidates can just go quietly away as far as I’m concerned.


48 posted on 06/26/2007 1:18:39 PM PDT by OB1kNOb (WHERE'S THE FENCE ? KILL BILL - II !! Vote Conservative. Vote Duncan Hunter - 2008)
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To: familyop

Yeah, yeah, yeah...we know. It’s not news.


49 posted on 06/26/2007 1:19:38 PM PDT by RockinRight (Fear the Fred.)
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To: cripplecreek

“Hunter because consistency counts”

Fred because having a remote possibility of winning counts.


50 posted on 06/26/2007 1:19:45 PM PDT by traderrob6
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