[napscoordinator]

I have witnessed a hugh fight between Hunter supporters vs Fred supporters. It is getting pretty ridiculous and thought this would be a great way to discuss this.

[samadams2000]

Whichever one supports E-X-T-R-A-C-T-I-O-N of illegals gets my vote, maybe two or three.

[TexasCajun]

Yes!!

[napscoordinator]

Very curious as to your comments. I will have to wait until tomorrow to find out but I am most curious.

[P-40]

I’ve learned a lot about Duncan Hunter because I’ve seen him at work. I don’t really know much about Fred.

[cripplecreek]

Hunter because consistency counts.

[WhyisaTexasgirlinPA]

Some of us would happily support either -

[infidel29]

Q: FRED OR DUNCAN

A: YES... both?

[Petronski]

Fred actually can win. Duncan is a genuinely good man and would make a great SecDef.

[Jim Robinson]

Note:

No one from either side should flame the other. Support your man. Support conservatism. Do not run down our conservative candidates. May the best conservative win.

Thanks,

Jim

[scott7278]

How about Fred and Duncan?

[jim from nebraska]

Fred and Duncan would be my dream team

[berstbubble]

I vote Duncan. Veteran, life time conservative with fire in his belly for the job.

[familyop]

Here's something more than the rhetoric we're seeing from "Fredheads." Let's have a look at the evidence.

from Thompson’s voting record on immigration with only two terms in office.
http://profiles.numbersusa.com/improfile.php3?DistSend=TN&VIPID=743

Voted in 1996 to continue chain migration

Voted to strip legal reforms from 1996 bill

Voted in favor of chain migration in 1996

Voted for a foreign worker bill with no anti-fraud measures in 2000.

As Committee member, produced H-1B doubling bill in 1998

Nearly doubled H-1B foreign high-tech workers in 1998

Voted in committee against including worker safeguards in H-1B bill in 1998

Voted to allow firms to lay off Americans to make room for foreign workers in 1998

Voted to allow firms to lay off Americans to make room for foreign workers in 1998

Voted to grant amnesty to close to one million illegal aliens from Nicaragua and Cuba in 1997

In 1996, removed higher fines for businesses which hire illegal aliens

Tried to kill voluntary pilot programs for workplace verification in 1996

Fred Thompson is Chairman of Condoleeza Rice’s International Security Advisory Board in the State Dept. (see information below).

Duncan Hunter: Vietnam combat veteran, 173rd Airborne and 75th Army Rangers, Bronze Star, and Chairman of the House Armed Services Committee until the Democrat majority was voted in during the 2006 election. Congressman Hunter continues to work in the Armed Services Committee.

Fred Thompson:
Fred Thompson voted in favor of the "1997 McCain-Feingold overhaul of campaign finance."

Fred Thompson's record on immigration:

* Voted YES on allowing more foreign workers into the US for farm work. (Jul 1998)
* Voted YES on visas for skilled workers. (May 1998)
* Voted YES on limit welfare for immigrants. (Jun 1997)

Duncan Hunter's record on immigration:

* Voted YES on preventing tipping off Mexicans about Minuteman Project. (Jun 2006)
* Voted YES on reporting illegal aliens who receive hospital treatment. (May 2004)
* Voted NO on extending Immigrant Residency rules. (May 2001)
* Voted NO on more immigrant visas for skilled workers. (Sep 1998)
* Rated 100% by FAIR, indicating a voting record restricting immigration. (Dec 2003)

Fred Thompson:

* Voted YES on extending free trade to Andean nations. (May 2002)
* Voted YES on granting normal trade relations status to Vietnam. (Oct 2001)
* Voted NO on removing common goods from national security export rules. (Sep 2001)
* Voted YES on permanent normal trade relations with China. (Sep 2000)
* Voted YES on expanding trade to the third world. (May 2000)
* Voted YES on renewing 'fast track' presidential trade authority. (Nov 1997)
* Voted YES on imposing trade sanctions on Japan for closed market. (May 1995)

Duncan Hunter:

* Voted NO on implementing CAFTA, Central America Free Trade. (Jul 2005)
* Voted YES on implementing US-Australia Free Trade Agreement. (Jul 2004)
* Voted NO on implementing US-Singapore free trade agreement. (Jul 2003)
* Voted NO on implementing free trade agreement with Chile. (Jul 2003)
* Voted YES on withdrawing from the WTO. (Jun 2000)
* Voted NO on 'Fast Track' authority for trade agreements. (Sep 1998)
* Rated 24% by CATO, indicating a pro-fair trade voting record. (Dec 2002)

Fred Thompson:

* Voted YES on permanent normal trade relations with China. (Sep 2000) [under "Free Trade"]

Duncan Hunter:

* Voted NO on Permanent Normal Trade Relations with China. (May 2000) [under "Foreign Policy]

http://www.state.gov/t/isn/isab/

International Security Advisory Board (ISAB)

The Secretary of State’s International Security Advisory Board (formerly called the Arms Control and Nonproliferation Advisory Board (ACNAB)) provides the Department with independent insight and advice on all aspects of arms control, disarmament, international security, and related aspects of public diplomacy. The ISAB is sponsored and overseen by the Under Secretary for Arms Control and International Security. The Board provides its recommendations directly to the Secretary of State. The Board currently has 20 members and is chartered to have up to 25. Board members are national security experts with scientific, military, diplomatic, and political backgrounds. The Board meets in a plenary session on a quarterly basis.

Updated: April 19, 2007

http://www.state.gov/t/isn/isab/c17650.htm

Board Members

— Senator Fred Thompson (Chairman)
— Dr. Michael R. Anastasio
— Dr. Kathleen Bailey
— Dr. Ashton B. Carter
— Ms. Alison B. Fortier
— Dr. William Graham
— Amb. Robert Joseph
— Mr. Mitchel B. Kugler
— Dr. Ronald F. Lehman, II
— Vice Admiral Robert R. Monroe, U.S. Navy (Ret.)
— Dr. Gordon C. Oehler
— Dr. Keith B. Payne
— Dr. Robert L. Pfaltzgraff, Jr.
— Senator Charles S. Robb
— Dr. C. Paul Robinson
— Dr. Amy Sands
— Dr. James R. Schlesinger
— Dr. William Schneider, Jr
— Dr. William Van Cleave
— Mr. R. James Woolsey

[Niteranger68]

It looks like a win/win to me. I refuse to punch any holes in what might turn out to be my life boat, with McCain being the slight exception.

[gidget7]

Frankly, in the end, I would prefer BOTH!

[Theresawithanh]

I like them both. I just think Fred has more name recognition, and thus a better chance to be the nominee.

I don’t get all the infighting this early over particular candidates.

[Always Right]

It is getting pretty ridiculous and thought this would be a great way to discuss this.

Gee, I wonder why. As someone who routinely comes on to Fred threads and lays a turd on them and then you wonder why you gets attack.

[joe fonebone]

why not both? Thompson / Hunter in ‘08......

[Clam Digger]

I’d prefer Duncan, but think Fred is more plausible.

[SolidWood]

I like Hunter’s position on China and illegal immigration way more than Thompson’s. Hunter also seems to be a tad more tough on Defense than Thompson.

But Thompson is perfectly good on all issues and totally qualifies for me.

Thompson however is more presidential than Hunter. Thompson is media savvy, charming, an excellent speaker and has the stuff to be a winner in the general election. Thompson also mangages to rally Republicans.

In the primaries my vote will likely go to Hunter, just to prep him up. I expect Thompson to win the primaries, but I hope that Hunter get a cabinet post (SecDef) or runs as VP with Thompson.

The recent fights on FR between Duncanistas and Fredheads were nasty and often on gutter level. It’s a shame to see the supporters of two good candidates getting at each other.

I hope we could get the two best candidates somehow on a ticket.