Posted on 06/28/2007 9:59:06 AM PDT by upchuck
Just a few excerpts from this article:
WASHINGTON -- The Senate fell 14 votes short of the 60 needed to end debate on immigration overhaul, dealing a near-fatal blow to the landmark bill and one that could very well dash President Bush's hopes of ever achieving this goal before leaving the White House.
The 46-53 roll call evolved into a blowout as a strong majority of Republicans sought cover and lined up against the administration once the outcome became apparent. Having invested substantial time in the effort, Senate Majority Leader Hary Reid (D., Nev.) was prepared to pull the bill in favor of beginning debate on a defense authorization measure for the new fiscal year that begins Oct. 1.
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"A decent respect for the views of the American people says stop here now, let's go back to the drawing board," warned Sen. Jeff Sessions (R., Ala.), and Sen. Jim DeMint (R., S.C.) said the debate betrayed "a crisis of confidence" in the government.
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But Sen. Lindsey Graham (R., S.C.) accused his colleagues of taking advantage of voters by holding out the false promise, he said, of something better and dashing the hopes for a politically difficult compromise.
"It is a problem America has to deal with it and we want someone else to do it because we are afraid…This is about our jobs," he said with contempt. "The American people have a low opinion of us because we can't seem to do the things we have to do because we are too worried about us and not them."
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Exactly. It's easy for a gang-mentality to scream AGAINST something.
We'll see if the gang-mentality can push FOR something to get passed or if the steam has all gone.
I didn't like the immigration bill...but it was better than nothing being passed IMO.
Very observant. After Sh$tlery has time to have her cronies leak info from the 700 FBI files that were scanned to a staff member of each of the Anti-Shamnesty members of Congress, it will somehow likely get passed after the C-Span camera man falls asleep at 2 am.
>>I didn’t like the immigration bill...but it was better than nothing being passed IMO.<<
How would it be “better,” taking into account that Bush and Chertoff are willing to hold enforcement hostage to amnesty?
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The next morning (possibly September 28, but the exact date is unknown; the Hellenic Navy celebrates September 12 as Battle of Salamis Day), the Persians were exhausted from searching for the Greeks all night, but they sailed in to the straits anyway to attack the Greek fleet. When it became obvious to the Greeks that the battle was inevitable morale rose, the fleet enthusiastically took to sea and started singing the "paean"
Forward, sons of the Greeks,
Your children, your women, the altars of the gods of your fathers
And the graves of your forebears:
Now is the fight for everything.
Conservatives, we did it. We held OUR Congress accountable, against seemingly a unsurmountable invasion backed by those who attempt to control with wealth and greed. Let them know forever more, this is OUR country, OUR government. The only power they have is what we lend them. And today we showed that WE are THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, where freedom exists because we are willing to fight for it.
It would be better because people continuing to stream across the border, employers not being held accountable, and illegals still being illegal can't go on.
The bill would have staunched at least some of this...perhaps a lot.
OK in the spirit of the thread, What is your solution?
And now that you have laid the blame, what is your solution?
My kinda humor, wicked and nasty :)
Thanks!!
>>It would be better because people continuing to stream across the border,<<
Kennedy promised they would stop that by the 1986 amnesty bill. Do you trust him, or Bush, or Chertoff?
>>employers not being held accountable,<<
Because Bush and Chertoff don’t want to do their jobs. Chertoff won’t tell you about his EEVS that determined (incorrectly) that a staffer of the House Immigration Subcommittee, who had been a citizen for 10 years, was illegal. I am in favor of developing such a system, but they need to prove that it works before we decide how to handle the 10-30 million illegals already here.
>>and illegals still being illegal can’t go on.<<
So the solution is to make them instantly legal? I don’t think so.
>>The bill would have staunched at least some of this...perhaps a lot.<<
I guess you believe Kennedy, Bush and Chertoff. I don’t. And I have not given up hope of electing better people in 2008.
the ACLU can't be everywhere to harass the citizenry and deny the majority will.
But the Chamber of Commerce and other employers of black market labor are definitely starting to feel the heat.
So I believe they were putting the heat on the Senate and the Prez, which explains the secretive dirty-dealing and lack of debate involving this deal.
This bill was not so much amnesty for illegal aliens as it was amnesty for the Chamber of Commerce. It would have made state and local efforts at enforcement impossible--which would let the Chamber off the hook.
With the death of this bill, states are starting to step in. OK makes a wonderful example.
I believe we'll see momentum toward enforcement, but not necessarily by the fed.
Because Bush and Chertoff don’t want to do their jobs.
That's my point. If you think they're not doing their jobs, then the problem is still there.
I think conservatives will now sit on their haunches thinking they have "won a victory".
Yet the problem remains. A bill would at least got the ball rolling.
OK in the spirit of the thread, What is your solution?
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The short version.
1. Ensure that a conservative President is elected in 2008. Without that, we are in major trouble across MANY fronts, and illegal immigration is just one. Fascism and socialism will be major problems.
2. Insist the Congress BUILD THE FENCE. The only thing that will STOP ILLEGALS. They must not be allowed to ENTER OR RE-ENTER this country. Laws do not work — fences do. The ONLY acceptable solution, otherwise the rest is a waste of time.
3. Properly use the 2008 election to install sane, patriotic, conservatives who care about America, into office in place of as many RINOs as possible. It goes without saying that the vote-grubbing, power-centric socialists need to be replaced as far as possible as well.
4. Develop a rational plan to deal with the issues of border security and the identification of the illegals that are in this country. Such a plan would NOT be a hasty process, it would be one with the visibility and APPROVAL of the AMERICAN VOTING MAJORITY, and would serve the American citizen FIRST AND FOREMOST, and NOT the twisted politics of Washington or any special interest group. The plan would provide a path for both temporary workers and those who are truly interested in EARNING U.S. CITIZENSHIP. Those who have broken the law will pay a penalty, they will EARN CITIZENSHIP, following the rules of the program, or leave the country permanently under the threat of severe penalty never to be allowed to return.
5. In general, any plan WILL RESPECT AMERICAN SOVERIGNTY, AMERICAN SECURITY, and PROTECT OUR SYSTEM OF LAWS, and the rights and majority will of the American citizen, first and foremost. Our borders will remain closed to any and all illegal people, and strict penalties must be upheld for not respecting U.S. immigration and border laws. This includes the enforcement of laws PROHIBITING THE HIRING OF ILLEGALS with severe penalties for both individuals and corporations.
It will be up to the voters and citizens to make this happen, and to insist on the type of people in government that will work for the people, and not perverted, damaging agendas that are driven by globalist, elitist arrogance.
End of short response :-) God Bless America!!!
See previous post—funny you should mention abortion, because I think state and local efforts at legislation will eventually make Roe moot. Now that the bill is dead, bills in state legs and municipalities are being written. It does mean some competition between the states—but that will provide an outlet for illegals fleeing an unfriendly state to a friendlier one...
Future Democrat houses of Congrsses in subsiquent years would have demanded and passed their form or Social Security reform or taxation and revised HillaryCare all based upon, "this is what Bush did" logic.
If the Dems make a mess of their own, they have to clean it up.
I don't think there are very many opposed to this measure that don't beleive some sort of step by step true reform will be needed as time passes.
What they insist upon, however, is that enforcement and border control must begin now without shilly shallying around dodging the issue.
I have been around hundreds of immigrant workers. I am assuming from hindsight that more than I thought were illegal. They didn't work for me. I helped take up a collection to bury the toddler of one with employer paycheck problems. These people are both the good and the bad.
The problem is that illegals, unlike other cross sections of immigrants have a higher percentage of bad and ZERO accountability and are a great economic burden.
This bill was wholesale innovation and not true reform.
Furthermore, you can't reform law you are not attempting to use.
Immigration Bill Suffers Set-back,
Back to Drawing board
Wall Street Journal, 6-28—2007
HMS Titanic Suffers Set-back,
Presently On Ocean Bottom,
London Times, 4-13-1912
However, George Bush's actions in barring partial birth and stem cell activities, not to mention the appointments of Roberts and Alito have helped to curtail the heinous pro-death activitiy going on currently.
Good or bad, they're all criminals. Treat them as such. Locate, arrest, deport. After, of course, closing the border by whatever means necessary.
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