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Oswald 'had no time to fire all Kennedy bullets'
The Sunday Telegraph (UK) ^ | 6/30/2007 | Tim Shipman

Posted on 06/30/2007 4:36:50 PM PDT by 1066AD

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To: RGPII

“2) Carrying a scope that was mounted for a left-handed person (Oswald was right-handed).[11] “ - post540

Someone said LHO was a Southpaw; I have no idea of this.


541 posted on 07/04/2007 9:46:44 PM PDT by RGPII
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To: Oztrich Boy; The KG9 Kid
When he did his reconstruction, Dr John K Lattimer found that two of the four Carcanos he purchased would not reliably eject the clip automatically(Didn't affect the ammo feed however)
523 posted by Oztrich Boy

KG9 Kid:
Yep. Busts your theory tpaine. Thanks for bringing that non-issue up, however.

Dream on that any theory of mine is 'busted' fellas. - Read the cited article above on how clips affected feed reliability.

542 posted on 07/04/2007 9:59:25 PM PDT by tpaine (" My most important function on the Supreme Court is to tell the majority to take a walk." -Scalia)
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To: RGPII
That's not true. His feat was duplicated several times and even by the FBI themselves. Are you saying that the FBI testimony in the WC report says that they were unable to duplicate the shots?

Also, there is no such thing as a 'left-handed scope', even though the FBI indeed makes mention of it in the WC report. The Carcano's design forced a atypical side mount system to allow the clip to be charged into the magazine, which was a European concept that they were evidently unfamiliar with even though a similar method was used on the M1-D and M14 rifle for the same reason the Carcano needed it.

The FBI just didn't know what the hell they were talking about in some parts of their testimony, which is the part of the Warren Report that even I disagree with. Sure, like the FBI hasn't ever said stupid shit before in an investigation. Believe it or not, even today they're not very philosophical about firearms. Back then they were just atrocious.

At the time of the Kennedy assassination, the FBI had for decades been training their agents to enter a gunfight with their issued revolvers held in their right hand (even if the agent was left-handed) at waist level with their left arm crossing their chest as if they were reciting the Pledge of Allegiance in a mirror image. They taught this awful 'instinct point shooting' method that got several agents killed and falsely led the rest to believe that an arm covering their center mass area might help keep a criminal's bullet from piercing their heart. It was the work of civilian instructors and shooters in about 1970 who changed all of that wrong headed thinking.

543 posted on 07/05/2007 12:30:16 AM PDT by The KG9 Kid
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To: FlyVet

So easy anyone with a camcorder and YouTube seem to be making those shots. Don’t forget the two coworkers on the fifth floor even heard the three empty cartridges hitting the floor. Howard Brennon saw Oswald firing from the window plus Oswald’s fingerprints on everything, palm print on the underside of the barrel since the wood was too rough for prints. Thread from his shirt was found stuck to the buttplate. Plus the little girl on camera stopping and watching Oswald in the window. Even the guy who took the picture of Ruby killing Oswald watched Oswald in the window.

One Dallas cop said they executed killers with a lot less evidence than they had against Oswald.

Makes you wonder why so called conservatives defend the little Marxist.


544 posted on 07/05/2007 5:10:33 AM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - Hunter '08)
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To: The KG9 Kid

How about in the vicinity of the grassy knoll?


545 posted on 07/05/2007 10:32:41 AM PDT by JoeA (JoeA / The defintion of insantity is repeating an action and expecting a different result.)
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To: Shooter 2.5

Which ones. If there are lies, let me know, because I’m happy for the education. I’ve researched this for years, and value the truth. Enlighten me, please.


546 posted on 07/05/2007 10:34:04 AM PDT by JoeA (JoeA / The defintion of insantity is repeating an action and expecting a different result.)
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To: Mr. K

Oswald was a shooter or at least an accomplice on the sixth floor and what I consider to be hard photographic evidence of him at the window proves it imo. But I agree with you about a possible second gunman and it’s mainly because of not only the Zapruder film but the eyewitness account of Ed Hoffman, whom I consider to be a credible witness. Long before the Moorman photo was blown up to reveal badgeman he claimed to have seen someone dressed in a police uniform fire a gun behind the fence along with a railroad man who assisted him and who’s also seen in the picture. It gave credibility to his story.


547 posted on 07/07/2007 8:47:13 AM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: JoeA; All

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/05/16/AR2007051601967.html?hpid=moreheadlines

I dont’ care to stir up the debate again; this is a story though that might be significant that I did not readily find on FR.


548 posted on 07/08/2007 8:06:18 AM PDT by RGPII
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To: RGPII
Well, now you've done it. Another week of debate...
549 posted on 07/09/2007 4:02:14 PM PDT by JoeA (JoeA / The defintion of insantity is repeating an action and expecting a different result.)
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To: JoeA

I think, the fact that this was probably posted over a long Independence Day weekend and that the discussion concerned a National historical issue added on to the conversation.


550 posted on 07/09/2007 9:35:29 PM PDT by RGPII
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To: RGPII

You’re probably right. But you’d think that after forty four years we’d have run out of things to debate.


551 posted on 07/10/2007 10:29:08 AM PDT by JoeA (JoeA / The defintion of insantity is repeating an action and expecting a different result.)
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To: JoeA

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/january2007/150107ciaman.htm

E Howard Hunt felt Johnson was behind it. See the link to his book before he died.


552 posted on 07/12/2007 10:06:50 AM PDT by cmiller623 (Mayor Antonio Villa....or never mind. Los Angeles is doomed!)
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To: jazusamo

Thank you. Cannot believe it took 12 posts to show up.


553 posted on 07/12/2007 10:15:57 AM PDT by Bogtrotter52 (Reading DU daily so you won't hafta)
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To: 1066AD

This will never end. Anyone with an agenda can bring up things that can’t be proved or disproved. It sells books.


554 posted on 07/12/2007 10:30:09 AM PDT by Leftism is Mentally Deranged
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To: cmiller623; YCTHouston

Now that Lady Bird has passed, truths will start to be revealed. There are many who have written that she was being protected because she was the last of the living.


555 posted on 07/12/2007 10:31:54 AM PDT by BUSHdude2000 (Get the embedded reporters out of Iraq and finish the job)
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To: muawiyah
It's a trick question/answer deal. Almost a stereotypical joke ~ if you get my drift.
The Italian Army could not load and fire 3 rounds in 19 seconds. Lee Harvey Oswald made sure that his first round was already loaded before he started the clock ticking.
That meant he had only to fire 3 rounds and load 2 rounds. The Italians did not take that precaution and had to fire 3 rounds AND load 3 rounds.

Also, these "tests" start by setting "time zero" with an independent event (i.e. "start... NOW!"). Oswald's elapsed time started at the moment he fired his first shot -- he could have taken as long as he liked before then.

Thus, the "tests" compare how long it takes someone else to load and fire three bullets with how long it took Oswald to load and fire two bullets -- Oswald got the first shot free because the clock didn't start running for him until he fired it.

556 posted on 07/12/2007 10:33:57 AM PDT by steve-b (It's hard to be religious when certain people don't get struck by lightning.)
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To: bad company
This is why conspiracy nuts are called nuts.

Yep. It's just like the 9/11 conspiracy idiots who think "Occam's Razor" is the brand name of box cutter used by the hijackers.

557 posted on 07/12/2007 10:35:16 AM PDT by steve-b (It's hard to be religious when certain people don't get struck by lightning.)
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To: 1066AD
Case Closed by Gerald Posner -

the definitive study of what happened and who participated.

I moved to Dallas in 1975 and in 1978 (I believe that was the year) the Dallas Morning News ran a story about how the Secret Service had to come to Dallas and inspect part of the curbing along the street by the "grassy knoll" because the city wanted to install a storm drain. The city got their okay and installed the new storm drain.

In less than a year, a British production company was peddling a new theory about how a gunman was hiding in the storm drain and actually fired the kill shot. Oh well, why let 15 years get in the way of your story.

558 posted on 07/12/2007 10:45:21 AM PDT by Texas Jack
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To: cmiller623

Interesting idea. There was a story about Hunt in Rolling Stone Magazine (of all places). If I remember it right, I think he confirmed that he is one of the three tramps in the infamous photo. He says the gunman was a Corsican or Frenchman.


559 posted on 07/12/2007 11:02:32 AM PDT by JoeA (JoeA / The defintion of insantity is repeating an action and expecting a different result.)
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To: 1066AD

‘In his book, Mr Bugliosi details how after just two or three minutes’ practice with the gun in 1979, three police marksmen aiming at three targets representing Kennedy at the same distance from Oswald, got away three shots in less than eight seconds. ‘

Which is why nobody thats looked into this takes Bugliosi seriously on this topic.

Oswald was hardly a ‘marksman’ folks. Far from it.

Then consider the odds of this type of accuracy, against this particular target.

The Warren Commission Report remains a whitewash to me. I don’t know what happened that day, nor do I know who was behind it. But I’ll never buy the ‘lone gunman’ theory.

Because the guy charged with being the ‘lone gunman’ simply didn’t have the skill set required.


560 posted on 07/12/2007 11:07:36 AM PDT by Badeye (You know its a kook site when they ban the word 'kook')
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