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To: Liz; All
Take this for what it's worth- an anecdote from a small southern city, population 16,000.

Local talk radio is about what you'd expect- mostly local issues... the school board, zoning, some state and national stuff.

Even the token liberals who call in usually aren't too bad, except when they regurgitate DNC talking points...

I have never before ( not even during the worst of the Clinton years ) heard so much white-hot, sputtering, stuttering anger over any other issue than this one.

I recognize nearly all the regular callers by voice- we have never had so many new callers, so damn mad they could hardly talk.

Their voices shook with anger, disgust, and revulsion that so many of our so-called "representatives" could act in such an insensitive, high-handed fashion towards the people they allegedly represent.

Will they remember all this come the next election?

I can't say, except to say that if they do, incumbents- regardless of party- are in a heap O' trouble.

3 posted on 07/02/2007 3:37:15 AM PDT by backhoe (-30-)
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To: backhoe

"Ted. The stupid dhimmis who THINK they are are our constitutents say they will remember
what we did. Not a chance it will matter. "

5 posted on 07/02/2007 3:41:25 AM PDT by Diogenesis (Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum)
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To: backhoe

Thanks for the realtime input-——underlines once again what I have contended from the getgo:

Grassroots opposition to amnesty is a rare consensus issue which joined together all segments of the political spectrum.

Too bad the dumbos on Capitol Hill failed to realize that salient fact.

Challengers to these dumbos need only mention “amnesty” to attract droves of voters.


13 posted on 07/02/2007 3:59:56 AM PDT by Liz (It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong. Voltaire)
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To: backhoe

“I have never before ( not even during the worst of the Clinton years ) heard so much white-hot, sputtering, stuttering anger over any other issue than this one.
I recognize nearly all the regular callers by voice- we have never had so many new callers, so damn mad they could hardly talk.
Their voices shook with anger, disgust, and revulsion that so many of our so-called “representatives” could act in such an insensitive, high-handed fashion towards the people they allegedly represent.
Will they remember all this come the next election?
I can’t say, except to say that if they do, incumbents- regardless of party- are in a heap O’ trouble.”

This is EXACTLY why I say that the so-called “Death of the Senate Bill” issues are, IMO, only temporary, will be THE most important issue leading into ‘08, and I believe that the winner of the primary and 2008 elections will be the Republican candidate who’s previous proven record and clearest ‘no amnesty’ message, reflect the STRONGEST PRO BORDER SECURITY, ANTI-ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION AND ANTI-CFR/NAU position to the American people.

Since there is NO Democratic candidate who brings this to the table, if Republicans unite behind THE Republican candidate who does, we CAN WIN ‘08!!!

But we cannot push another ‘bush’ and therefore, that candidate IMO, can NOT and must NOT be another Open Borders Lobby...CFRer or NAFTApusher.

CFRers:

Fred Thompson
Rudy Giuliani
John McCain
Mitt Romney
Jim Gilmore
Newt Gingrich
Hillary Clinton
Barack Obama
John Edwards
Joe Biden
Chris Dodd
Bill Richardson

If you are aware of others, please let me know.


15 posted on 07/02/2007 4:01:51 AM PDT by Kimberly GG (DUNCAN HUNTER '08)
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To: backhoe

That was the same in this area. Local talk was bombarded with talk of the bill. Known dems. were upset too.


20 posted on 07/02/2007 4:17:45 AM PDT by EmilyGeiger
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To: backhoe

Will we remember come election day? You betcha.


36 posted on 07/02/2007 5:23:26 AM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Defeat liberalism, its the right thing to do for America.)
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To: backhoe
The Republicans have some serious problems, yet many of them are in denial.

The Republican President pushes an amnesty for illegals bill.

The Republican Senate passed this bill in 2006. The Republican House, however, tables it.

The Republicans lost both Houses in 2007.

Nancy was going to clean up the House.

Hillary says she is going to clean up the White House.

The Republican President pushes an amnesty for illegals bill. He now has “a Congress I wan work with”.

The Democratic Senate killed this bill by defeating it in the spring of 2007.

The Republican President pushes for resurrecting the amnesty for illegals bill.

The Senate Republicans helped resurrect this dead bill.

The Democratic Senate killed this bill by defeating it in the summer of 2007.

==

The Republicans have serious problems with their leadership. They need to clean their own internal house. They have lost credibility with the American pubic.

They had their heads buried in sand in 2006 and lost both Houses. They are still in denial.

The voters associated this push for amnesty for illegals with George W and the Republican leaders.

Whether by design or dumb luck, the amnesty bill, its initial defeat, the President reviving it, the Republicans pushing it, makes the Dems look better than the Pubbies.

The Republicans need to clean up their own party, and they need to start now. Otherwise, they are going to be the minority for another 40 years.

The election of 2006 gave the Republicans notice.

The election of 2008 may be a severe remedial lesson.

The Republicans need to shake off their denial and realize they have serious problems, get their heads out of the sand, take off the blinders, deal with the internal party policies and leadership problems.

37 posted on 07/02/2007 5:41:55 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: backhoe
incumbents- regardless of party- are in a heap O' trouble.

I agree 100%. And that's the minimum they deserve.

93 posted on 07/02/2007 7:35:56 AM PDT by Fudd Fan (Don't you worry, never fear, FDT will soon be here. http://www.imwithfred.com)
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To: backhoe

This issue was different because it was the FACTS and the DETAILS which the listeners were citing. This was not as Lott or Specter said an “amnesty” misunderstanding. People DID understand. The senate was just operating under 1970 rules where they could expell any nitrogen compound and describe it as desirable and there would be no way to check on it.

The senators are now on notice that they can and will be held to their statements. Their positions can and will be examined to coincide with what they are passing.

Mel Martinez should be IMMEDIATLY removed from his RNC position. (heck he even blew off the FL Bar in Orlando to attend the Latino Elected official Convention IN ORLANDO. I think he was playing golf at the time. But he did send in a nice video)


124 posted on 07/02/2007 10:23:50 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: backhoe
I love your anecdote....keeps me hopeful.

They will remember!

136 posted on 07/02/2007 10:49:06 AM PDT by Guenevere (Duncan Hunter for President 2008!!!)
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To: backhoe
I am reminded of Lou Dobbs saying: “To call illegal aliens ‘undocumented workers’ is like calling drug dealers ‘unlicensed pharmacists.’”
147 posted on 07/02/2007 11:57:34 AM PDT by apocalypto
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To: backhoe
With rare exception my family is overwhelmingly liberal. For the first time in years, we could all be in a room together and agree on something.

The rage about our borders not being protected crosses party lines and the anger about the illegals is shared. You're right - if people remember, this is going to be one strange election.

153 posted on 07/02/2007 2:37:47 PM PDT by GOPJ (The aggressor is always peace-loving;he would prefer to take over...unopposed.-Karl von Clauswitz)
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