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The case for mistrusting Muslims
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-op-dalrymple8jul08,0,5502943.story?coll=la-opinion-rightrail ^ | Theodore Dalrymple

Posted on 07/08/2007 2:53:43 AM PDT by ventanax5

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1 posted on 07/08/2007 2:53:45 AM PDT by ventanax5
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To: ventanax5
Just my lowly opinion of a Red State wannabe.

Somehow, someway there's going to be a day of reckoning for these cultist's.

At some point their going to push the envelop over the edge so far that even the lowliest Hollywood liberal is going to say it’s gone to far.

Someday................

2 posted on 07/08/2007 3:17:06 AM PDT by OKIEDOC (Kalifornia, a red state wannabe. I don't take Ex Lax I just read the New York Times.)
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To: OKIEDOC

What’s scary is the event that will force that to happen.


3 posted on 07/08/2007 3:32:36 AM PDT by patj
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To: ventanax5
their cheap labor that we imported in the 1960s in a vain effort to bolster the dying textile industry, which could not find local labor, is now redundant.

The true cost of "cheap labor" is never cheap.

4 posted on 07/08/2007 3:37:05 AM PDT by DUMBGRUNT (Life is Good!)
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To: OKIEDOC
I agree, but there are a couple problems with that.

First, it would take an atrocity of even greater magnitude than 9/11, or maybe even a couple of them for that to happen (which is sort of rough on the folks at Ground Zero)

Second, even if the consensus of the dispicability of the cultists were to be overwhelmingly expanded, there are still enough people who would be unwilling to take action against them because it would upset their whole multicultural, humanist, liberal, anticapitalist applecart.

They can't afford to admit the slightest possibility that they were wrong because their entire world-view depends on us right-wingers being the very incarnation of evil.

Now, especially in academia, media and in much of the world's entrenched bureaucracies, they have the power and the microphone. They would not be willing to give that up even if the Jihadis are blowing their own families into mincemeat.

5 posted on 07/08/2007 3:41:31 AM PDT by Ronin (Bushed out!!! Another tragic victim of BDS. Now an official Fredhead!)
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To: ventanax5

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1862343/posts


6 posted on 07/08/2007 3:44:39 AM PDT by GFritsch ('All men will hate you because of me, but he who stands firm to the end will be saved'." -)
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To: OKIEDOC

QUITE RIGHT! Hopefully sooner rather than later. The hate the Joos crowd/cultist need their day of reckoning too. Watch for the buzz words from this bunch.


7 posted on 07/08/2007 3:46:05 AM PDT by rrrod
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To: patj

That’s an excellent point, the preferred outcome is never having to deal with such an event. I think a great start would be securing our borders and taking a realistic, non-PC look at immigration. I am not talking knee-jerk reactions here, on the contrary, I mean deliberate, methodical pursuits in which we take a realistic approach and stop pretending we don’t know things, we, in fact, do know. No one is entitled to come to America, Islamic and otherwise. We need to think about who we are allowing to receive American educations and allowing to enter our country. This country was conceived without any assistance from islam and has thrived without them. We do not need them and as long as it remains this moronic death cult, it defies common sense to continue allowing the foxes into the hen house. If their behavior changes, so to can ours. The choice is theirs to make in that regard, but ours where the safety and tranquility of America is concerned.


8 posted on 07/08/2007 3:52:23 AM PDT by WildcatClan (Duncan Hunter '08)
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To: patj
Yes, your so correct.

If one reads and believes the bible we are getting close to being into the last days.

It seems to me that the stars, so to speak, are lining up just right for the last days to take place.

It looks like Russians was for a while out of the equation but Putin keeps putting them back in at every chance.

The situation in Iran should be most chilling to those who believe in Christianity.

It looks as though there will be another war in the Middle east and this time it will be worse than at anytime before because Iran will have an atomic bomb to hopefully drop on Israel.

Yes. things are not good and there getting worse.

9 posted on 07/08/2007 3:53:05 AM PDT by OKIEDOC (Kalifornia, a red state wannabe. I don't take Ex Lax I just read the New York Times.)
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To: ventanax5

How can anyone trust a group whose written charter tells them to invade, take over, convert all countries, killing those who resist? How can anyone trust a cult that glorifies the members who kill non-members, makes videos of them and posts their pictures? How can anyone trust a death cult that hardly ever condemns the violence against non-members, and then only in terms that blame the victims?


10 posted on 07/08/2007 3:54:05 AM PDT by Leftism is Mentally Deranged (Expulsion is the right answer)
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To: Ronin
You are so right that it’s scary.

My PHD son in New York thinks I am on my own prescriptions for halucianationatory drugs. LOL at the big misspelling.

11 posted on 07/08/2007 3:56:53 AM PDT by OKIEDOC (Kalifornia, a red state wannabe. I don't take Ex Lax I just read the New York Times.)
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To: Ronin
Every time I talk with my alGore supporting son I want to spit.

I just cringe that Democrats have the same feeling for this country as do Conservatives.

God forgive me but this great nation in the hands of democrats would disastrous for the world.

12 posted on 07/08/2007 4:02:10 AM PDT by OKIEDOC (Kalifornia, a red state wannabe. I don't take Ex Lax I just read the New York Times.)
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To: OKIEDOC

“Iran will have an atomic bomb to hopefully drop on Israel”

I know you made a mistake and didn’t mean that. I just wanted to point it out to you.:) Iran can not be allowed to have nuclear weapons, period. We need a warrior in the WH and that is the one that is going to get my vote. Sanctions and blockades, as some have suggested will be no more efficacious than the UN’s sternly worded letters. It will take a brilliant, quick and decisive surgical strike complete with all the logistics to make it possible.


13 posted on 07/08/2007 4:02:22 AM PDT by WildcatClan (Duncan Hunter '08)
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To: WildcatClan
Yes, your so correct.

It is not fathomable in my mind for Iran to ever have the ability to produce an Atomic weapon.

This AlmaIamanutjob will use it the first opportunity.

14 posted on 07/08/2007 4:14:05 AM PDT by OKIEDOC (Kalifornia, a red state wannabe. I don't take Ex Lax I just read the New York Times.)
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To: WildcatClan

You make a lot of sense. However, we may be 40 years late figuring it out.


15 posted on 07/08/2007 4:15:41 AM PDT by DooDahhhh
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To: OKIEDOC
"Now, despite friendly and long-lasting relations with many Muslims, my first reaction on seeing Muslims in the street is mistrust; ..."

Kind of like having a pet rattlesnake, isn't it?

I have had Muslim co-workers with whom I have been friendly..but who really knows?

I have Arab friends, but they are Christian. It's not nationality or regional, or looks..it's a Muslim Thing.

16 posted on 07/08/2007 4:27:33 AM PDT by Gorzaloon ("Being Fat, Stupid, and believing in Global Warming is no way to grow up, Son.")
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To: DooDahhhh

“You make a lot of sense. However, we may be 40 years late figuring it out.”——DooDahhhh

You got that right. If, in fact, we have figured it out. That remains to be seen.


17 posted on 07/08/2007 4:30:39 AM PDT by WildcatClan (Duncan Hunter '08)
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To: ventanax5

bump


18 posted on 07/08/2007 4:41:59 AM PDT by EverOnward
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To: ventanax5

“The Case for Mistrusting Muslims.”

9/11


19 posted on 07/08/2007 4:45:08 AM PDT by R.W.Ratikal
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To: Ronin

They can’t afford to admit the slightest possibility that they were wrong because their entire world-view depends on us right-wingers being the incarnation of evil.............

Exactly!!

If liberals only REALLY cared, how much better off we would all be.


20 posted on 07/08/2007 4:46:57 AM PDT by Grateful One
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To: Gorzaloon
I have had young resident doctors tell me in no uncertain terms that they are superior to American doctors in not only training but Intelligence.

I was rather dumbfound the first time a you doctor said this but by the fourth or fifth time it became common place.

My friends and I have a personal joke about some of the Doctors coming to America from terrorists countries performing operations and actually doing things to endanger the patients life.

In one Texas town as I write there is an open war between American and Foreign doctors over the foreign doctors stealing patients.

It works this way.

The American doctor sends a long time patient to say an Indian Internist doctor for a certain problem and expects the Indian doctor Internist to write a diagnosis and send the patient back.

However, what is happening is that the Indian doctor sends the patient to another Indian doctor and the patient never comes back to the American doctor.

This has created a very big problem in some towns that i know of.

Indians are known for becoming directors of residency programs in hospitals and then brining in a dispassionate amount of Indians to other countries who apply.

The problem is that many Indians refuse to learn Spanish so that they can communicate with a majority of their kalifornia patients.

Especially in Kalifornia.

Arnold probably does not know about this because no one in government seems to give a damn whether or not doctors can communicate with their patients.

Intern residents from some countries are so very arrogant about having to learn English much less Spanish.

Flame away all you damn political correct kiss ass medical types who disagree.

21 posted on 07/08/2007 4:49:47 AM PDT by OKIEDOC (Kalifornia, a red state wannabe. I don't take Ex Lax I just read the New York Times.)
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To: Ronin

You are right. If some (most) Leftwing elitists were about to be beheaded by Jihadists, they would still curse Conservatives with their last breath for having “caused” their situation.


22 posted on 07/08/2007 4:53:07 AM PDT by rbg81 (DRAIN THE SWAMP!!)
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To: Ronin
>>..there are still enough people who would be unwilling to take action against them because it would upset their whole multicultural, humanist, liberal, anticapitalist applecart.<<

The Circuit City clerk who first viewed the jihadi tape of the Fort Dix Six practicing for an attack on the Army base waited 24 hrs. before he called the cops. He went home and discussed it with his family. He said that he did not want to “appear” racist. That is just as chilling as what those monsters were planning to do, if it had been WWII, he would have dashed out into the streets to raise the alarm.
Multiculturalism is a stealth weapon. Islam is a religion of peace, guns are bad, America is always wrong, etc.

23 posted on 07/08/2007 4:53:11 AM PDT by ishabibble (ALL-AMERICAN INFIDEL)
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To: ventanax5

The case for mistrusting Muslims

The five pillars of Islam..... murder, bestiality, terrorism, cowardice and abuse of women and children.

Know islam, no peace; No islam, know peace!
If the Arabs put down their guns, there would be no more violence. If the Israelis put down their guns, there would be no more Israel.

The Pope was correct in his quote....”Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached.” -Manuel II Paleologus


24 posted on 07/08/2007 4:53:51 AM PDT by nyyankeefan
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To: ventanax5

“And the plain fact of the matter is that British society could get by perfectly well without the contribution even of moderate Muslims.” Let’s expand this to ANY society. Dalrymple is one of the few Brits who’s got it right.


25 posted on 07/08/2007 4:59:33 AM PDT by libbybelle (coffee is for closers)
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To: ventanax5
He sums it up in the last couple of paragraphs:

"The problem causes deep philosophical discomfort to everyone who believes in a tolerant society. On the one hand we believe that every individual should be judged on his merits, while, on the other, we know it would be absurd and dangerous to pretend that the threat of terrorism comes from sections of the population equally."

"History is full of the most terrible examples of what happens when governments and peoples ascribe undesirable traits to minorities, and no decent person would wish to participate in the crimes to which this ascription can give rise; yet it would also be folly to ignore sociological reality."

There is a slight difference between rounding up Japanese and putting them into internment camps as we did in WWII and being less tolerant and more proactive against radical Islamists types. No one is born a muslim. Islam is a corrosive belief system that isn't compatible with free society. Can a society that embraces freedom of belief tolerate beliefs that are a threat to that society? What do we do with the people and things that are a threat to us? In general, if we can't stay away from them, we kill them or lock them up.

26 posted on 07/08/2007 4:59:37 AM PDT by GBA (God Bless America!)
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To: nyyankeefan
How can we even trust converted Muslims? It is just another way to infiltrate. My concern is Barrack Saddam Obama really a Christian or is this just a sleeper cell? Remember when all said he will be the VP and Hitlary ( the anti Christ )for president. Sorry if it sounds extreme, thats just the way I see it.
27 posted on 07/08/2007 5:19:56 AM PDT by logcabinman
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To: Ronin
We shall put them into internment camps... right along side of their muzzie brethren!

LLS

28 posted on 07/08/2007 5:42:42 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Support America, Kill terrorists, Destroy dims!)
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The problem causes deep philosophical discomfort to everyone who believes in a tolerant society.

Tolerant of what?

There are many anti-truth, anti-freedom, anti-individual, anti-life, collectives in any country. Any and all of them are disgusting. The greatest one in the history of civilization, is particularly disgusting.

29 posted on 07/08/2007 5:52:16 AM PDT by PGalt
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To: WildcatClan

just as we have ecconomic interest who wanted cheep labor, we also have ecconomic interests who want unrestricted student immigration (because foreign students pay cash and full price at public universities)

I think the immigration reform was an effort to push the parties back to the 1950 of one pole (party) for the rich and successful and the other pole (party) for the poor working class.

Elitist social engineering.

Parties based on principles and ideas do not work for elitist politicians whose only priority is staying in office.


30 posted on 07/08/2007 6:07:39 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Leftism is Mentally Deranged

(sarcasm on)

WHAT! didn’t you watch CNN with Christina Ananapour tell us the revisionist version of the Quran? It is all peace and coexistance. Islam’s violent facts are just a silly misunderstanding. It has to be so because CNN said so.

(/sarcasm off)


31 posted on 07/08/2007 6:14:55 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: LibLieSlayer

Don’t be silly, our government is scared sh**less of muslims and can’t wait to kiss their a**es at every opportunity, hoping the crocodile will eat them last.

When a muslim finally manages to nuke NYC, our government’s only response will be to place a cordon of police around every mosque, to guard them from attacks by “intolerant rednecks.”


32 posted on 07/08/2007 7:10:08 AM PDT by Pete98 (After his defeat by the Son of God, Satan changed his name to Allah and started over.)
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To: ventanax5

The bottom line is that not all Muslims may be terrorists, but to date, ALL terrorists have been MUSLIMS!

Let the politically correct deny that “inconvenient truth”.


33 posted on 07/08/2007 7:11:24 AM PDT by mkjessup (Jan 20, 2009 - "We Don't Know. Where Rudy Went. Just Glad He's Not. The President. Burma Shave.")
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To: Pete98
When a muslim finally manages to nuke NYC, our government’s only response will be to place a cordon of police around every mosque, to guard them from attacks by “intolerant rednecks.”

In that case, put your money on the 'intolerant rednecks' to clean the clocks in every mosque in America once and for all.
34 posted on 07/08/2007 7:12:38 AM PDT by mkjessup (Jan 20, 2009 - "We Don't Know. Where Rudy Went. Just Glad He's Not. The President. Burma Shave.")
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To: logcabinman
My concern is Barrack Saddam Obama really a Christian or is this just a sleeper cell?

If he's really a Christian, he'd take back his given name and renounce his Islamic identity. That's my opinion, and I'm sticking to it.

35 posted on 07/08/2007 7:13:42 AM PDT by MSSC6644 (Defeat Satan. Pray the Rosary)
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To: ventanax5

Theodor Dalrymple is horrified by his own prejudice against Muslims, admitting it is a perfectly rationale response. I think this is the first important step for the British. Eventually, they must stop all Muslim immigrants and begin expelling the ones they have. Otherwise, they are going to lose their country or keep it a live in constant fear of terror.


36 posted on 07/08/2007 7:17:09 AM PDT by WashingtonSource
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To: ventanax5

Theodore Dalrymple knows a thing or two about Islamic criminality.
IIRC, he’s had plenty of interaction/examinations of Islamics that
are have “interactions” with the British legal system.

I’ve heard him on The Dennis Prager (radio) Show and he’s one of the
Brits that has no PC delusions about the Isalmic threat

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodore_Dalrymple


37 posted on 07/08/2007 7:18:02 AM PDT by VOA
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“Just as we used to wonder, on meeting Germans of a certain age, what
they had done during World War II, so she wondered, when she found
herself next to a young Muslim on a bus or a train, what he thought
of the various bombings perpetrated by his co-religionists and whether
he might be a bomber. “

I guess I’m as cynical.
During my grad school years, I’d occassionally wonder what amount of
corruption had gotten some of my fellow graduate students from their
hell-hole home country to a nice classroom in the USA.


38 posted on 07/08/2007 7:20:17 AM PDT by VOA
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To: PGalt
... Whether tis nobler in the mind to suffer
The slings and arrows of outrageous fortune,
Or to take arms against a sea of troubles,
And by opposing end them
39 posted on 07/08/2007 7:47:02 AM PDT by Old North State
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To: OKIEDOC

This is a pet peeve of mine. Sick people should not have to deal with foreign docs they cannot understand. Also, lots of qualified Americans would love to be docs. So, build the med schools and train enough American docs.


40 posted on 07/08/2007 8:13:34 AM PDT by ClaireSolt (Have you have gotten mixed up in a mish-masher?)
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To: ClaireSolt
Been saying that for years and yet no one listens.

What got my Goat was when Medicare cut funding for training doctors.

Thousands of residency training slots went away.

If you look at the number of training slots for new doctors it is not much different that say 6 or seven years ago.

Yet the aging of the population and the need for more doctors has expanded not lessoned.

I read somewhere that docs were retiring faster than they could be replaced yet the government is withdrawing funding for these training slots.

41 posted on 07/08/2007 8:28:56 AM PDT by OKIEDOC (Kalifornia, a red state wannabe. I don't take Ex Lax I just read the New York Times.)
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To: OKIEDOC

The American docs were all small businessmen and Republicans. I think they imported foreigners to work cheaply at the V A and also to support socialized medicine. Medicare p;ays so poorly that many docs refuse to accept it. I have to change docs again, because here docs drop it when they have built their practice. This is really just another immigration issus, imho.


42 posted on 07/08/2007 8:33:55 AM PDT by ClaireSolt (Have you have gotten mixed up in a mish-masher?)
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To: mkjessup
The bottom line is that not all Muslims may be terrorists, but to date, ALL terrorists have been MUSLIMS!

Goodness. All those Irish Republicans called Kelly were Muslims and I never knew. They were Catholic Muslims, of course.

43 posted on 07/08/2007 9:42:54 AM PDT by Winniesboy
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To: Winniesboy

you know exactly what is meant by the threat we are facing from mooselums...If anyone from my family dies from a Terriost mooslum...or if an event happens again here in USA...I and millions more...we will all Terroist those mooselums...you can damn be sure of that and PC can be Blown to hell first...you can bet all bets are off...and death to evil will begin with me!


44 posted on 07/08/2007 9:57:47 AM PDT by Turborules
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To: ventanax5
A much better read, IMO, from a radical Muslim apostate:

I was a fanatic...I know their thinking, says former radical Islamist

For decades, radicals have been exploiting the tensions between Islamic theology and the modern secular state - typically by starting debate with the question: "Are you British or Muslim?"

But the main reason why radicals have managed to increase their following is because most Muslim institutions in Britain just don't want to talk about theology.

They refuse to broach the difficult and often complex truth that Islam can be interpreted as condoning violence against the unbeliever - and instead repeat the mantra that Islam is peace and hope that all of this debate will go away.

This has left the territory open for radicals to claim as their own. I should know because, as a former extremist recruiter, I repeatedly came across those who had tried to raise these issues with mosque authorities only to be banned from their grounds.

Every time this happened it felt like a moral and religious victory for us because it served as a recruiting sergeant for extremism.

45 posted on 07/08/2007 10:05:39 AM PDT by dirtboy (Impeach Chertoff and Gonzales. We can't wait until 2009 for them to be gone.)
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To: Pete98

There are times that make it seem so. I have faith that enough sane people are in this Nation... but it may take some serious pain to awaken them. I pray over it daily.

LLS


46 posted on 07/08/2007 10:26:01 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Support America, Kill terrorists, Destroy dims!)
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To: R.W.Ratikal

“The Case for Mistrusting Muslims.”

Their entire history.


47 posted on 07/08/2007 10:45:26 AM PDT by Noumenon (The Koran is the Mein Kampf of a religion that has always aimed to eliminate the others - O. Fallaci)
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To: logcabinman

Fear the Islamic meme.


48 posted on 07/08/2007 1:27:23 PM PDT by Misterioso
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To: Winniesboy
The bottom line is that not all Muslims may be terrorists, but to date, ALL terrorists have been MUSLIMS!
Goodness. All those Irish Republicans called Kelly were Muslims and I never knew. They were Catholic Muslims, of course.


Don't be a smart ass. You know damn well what I'm talking about, we're talking about the post 9-11 world and the global jihad against America and the West which was launched by MUSLIM TERRORISTS.

Use your head for something other than a hat rack, ok?
49 posted on 07/08/2007 2:33:38 PM PDT by mkjessup (Jan 20, 2009 - "We Don't Know. Where Rudy Went. Just Glad He's Not. The President. Burma Shave.")
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To: Turborules

Well said my FRiend!


50 posted on 07/08/2007 2:52:24 PM PDT by mkjessup (Jan 20, 2009 - "We Don't Know. Where Rudy Went. Just Glad He's Not. The President. Burma Shave.")
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