Posted on 07/08/2007 8:38:21 AM PDT by doesnt suffer fools gladly
Pope Angers Jews, Liberals With Rite
Conservatives Rejoice as Pontiff Revives Old Latin Mass By NICOLE WINFIELD,AP
VATICAN CITY (July 7) - Pope Benedict XVI on Saturday removed restrictions on celebrating the old Latin Mass, reviving a rite that was all but swept away by the liberalizing reforms of the Second Vatican Council.
The decision, a victory for traditional, conservative Roman Catholics, came over the objections of liberal-minded Catholics and angered Jews because the Tridentine Mass contains a prayer for their conversion.
Benedict, who stressed that he was not negating Vatican II, issued a document authorizing parish priests to celebrate the Tridentine rite if a "stable group of faithful" requests it. Currently, the local bishop must approve such requests - an obstacle that supporters of the rite say has greatly limited its availability.
"What earlier generations held as sacred remains sacred and great for us, too," Benedict wrote.
The document upset Jews, since the Tridentine rite contains a prayer on Good Friday of Easter Week calling for their conversion. The Anti-Defamation League called the move a "body blow to Catholic-Jewish relations," the Jewish news agency JTA reported.
The Simon Wiesenthal Center urged Benedict to publicly point out that such phrases "are now entirely contrary to the teaching of the church."
In reviving the rite, Benedict was reaching out to the followers of an excommunicated ultratraditionalist, the late Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, who split with the Vatican over Vatican II, particularly the introduction of the New Mass celebrated in the vernacular.
The Vatican excommunicated Lefebvre in 1988 after he consecrated four bishops without Rome's consent. The bishops were excommunicated as well.
Benedict has been eager to reconcile with Lefebvre's group, the Society of St. Pius X, which has demanded freer use of the old Mass as a precondition for normalizing relations. The other precondition is the removal of the excommunication decrees. The Vatican did not address the excommunication issue Saturday and there was no indication if or when it would.
The current head of the society, Bishop Bernard Fellay, welcomed Benedict's document in a statement. He said he hoped "that the favorable climate established by the new dispositions of the Holy See" would eventually allow other doctrinal disputes that emerged from Vatican II to be discussed, including ecumenism, religious liberty and the sharing of power with bishops.
The old rite differs significantly from the New Mass. In addition to the Latin, the prayers and readings are different, and the priest faces the altar, to be seen as leading the faithful in prayer.
Benedict, a conservative theologian, has made no secret of his affinity for the Tridentine rite and has long said the faithful should have greater access to it. But more liberal Catholics have suggested that in liberalizing the use of the rite, Benedict was sending a strong message that Vatican II was not the "break from the past" that some view it as being.
In addition to Jewish concerns, bishops in France and liberal-minded clergy and faithful elsewhere expressed concerns that allowing freer use of the Tridentine liturgy would imply a negation of Vatican II and create divisions in parishes since two different liturgies would be celebrated.
Benedict said those fears were "unfounded" in a letter to bishops accompanying the Latin text.
He said the New Mass remained the "normal" form of Mass while the Tridentine version was an "extraordinary" one that would probably only be sought by a few Catholics.
The document "doesn't impose any return to the past, it doesn't mean any weakening of the authority of the council nor the authority and responsibility of bishops," Vatican spokesman Rev. Federico Lombardi said.
However, Cardinal Jean-Pierre Ricard, the head of the French bishops' conference, warned that the move will create divisions. "There will be resistance from both sides," he told Le Monde.
The liberal lay church group We Are Church said that the move represented a step back from Vatican II and could set an even more conservative direction for the church. It warned of a "new split within many parishes, diocese and finally the entire Roman Catholic Church."
"It is to be feared that while it appears to only be about the old Mass, in reality it is an attempt to set the Catholic Church on a new old course," the group said.
Ricard, speaking on France-Info radio Saturday, said the move does not mean the entire church is becoming more fundamentalist. "Just because you have in a family a cousin who is a bit different, whom you tolerate and accept, doesn't mean that the whole family adopts his positions or his way of life," he said.
The document was welcomed by traditional Catholics who remained in good standing with Rome but simply preferred the Tridentine liturgy and have long complained that bishops had been stingy in allowing it, said Michael Dunnigan, chairman of Una Voce America, the largest lay organization in the United States dedicated to promoting wider access to the traditional Mass.
"The traditional Mass is a true a gem of the church's heritage, and the Holy Father has taken the most important step toward making it available to many more of the faithful," he said.
Who cares what they think? They are whiners and they are wrong.
"The Latin Mass is the most beautiful thing this side of Heaven."
They make this sound like crime against humanity while willfully ignoring the real crimes of Islam.
“The document upset Jews, since the Tridentine rite contains a prayer on Good Friday of Easter Week calling for their conversion”
well, it’s not like the pope is calling for them to wiped off the face of the earth.
You’d think they’d have more important things to get “upset” about.
Is this totally NUTS or what? Jesus (founder, chief architect) was all for Jews to be converted. So how on earth could the Church be against it?
So when is the ADL going to come out against the teachings of Islam?
Let’s see...
“One group prays for our religious conversion.
One group seeks to kill us.
Hmmm...I guess we’ll protest the one that wants to convert us.”
Where is the outrage from these people when Islamic Imam lead Islamic prayers of conversion IN THE HALLS OF GOVERNMENT?
It has not been an isolated occurance but it never registers on the national radar.
I didn’t realize the Pope was supposed to run the Catholic Church in a matter to keep practitioners of Judaism happy. What next, deny Christ as the Messiah for believers because Jews don’t believe he is?
And as for that prayer, no one is being forced to convert.
Alouette is not upset. If someone wants to pray for my conversion, let 'em. Just as long as they don't threaten to cut off my head if I don't convert, like some other "Religion of Peace."
“Yes, but it harkens back to the millenia + that the Roman Catholic Church did indeed try and wipe Judaism off the face of the earth.”
while I understand there were times of violence I am unaware of a Church led campaign to wipe jews off the face of the earth.
educate me please.
What consideration, if any, was given to the faithful who loved the Latin Mass when the conversion to the Vulgar Mass went into effect?
Episcopalians did the same thing with their Prayer Book change; just did it and if you objected, you were castigated.
The hierarchy of neither church, so far as I’ve seen, has shown enormous regard for its own followers in making such major changes.
Foxman sure knows how to get his undies knotted up. His is the very sort who claimed that conservatives looked for a commie under every rock, but he’s looking under the same rocks for anti-semitism. Hey, Abe ... news flash! You have a lot of issues much bigger than a line in a RC missal. Huge numbers of your fellow leftists are turning anti-semitic and pro-Palestinian. Why don’t you focus your energies there?
Sadly, it's not. The Catholic Church has been infested with liberalism as much as some of the "mainstream" Protestant ones. The only difference is that the man at the top of the organization charts has been pretty conservative for about three decades.
“Alouette is not upset. If someone wants to pray for my conversion, let ‘em. Just as long as they don’t threaten to cut off my head if I don’t convert, like some other “Religion of Peace.””
well exactly.
We get our annual visits from the mormons and witnesses.
They pray for my conversion.
Doesn’t “upset” me one bit.
They mean well - but I’m not going to convert to their religion.
It is a beautiful service full of memories for the older Catholics. It offers comfort and will probably be used only on special occassions. There is objection to one prayer said on only one day. So...don’t do the Mass on that day. How can there be serious objections about the Mass when there are so many Holocost deniers, and anti-semites out in the world saying awful things about Jewish people 24/7 ???? Let’s get real and appreciate both Catholic and Jewish worship heritages as we stand together against the BIG evils in the world.
I have never minded anybody praying for my conversion, be they Evangelicals or Mormons or Jews or anybody else. These prayers are not Execratory Psalms, people. They are --- at least from the point of view of the pray-ers ---- requests that God favor other people a priceless blessing.
"Oh no, my friend, I have my own religious faith, but thanks just the same. God bless you" is what I have taught my children to say. See? A smile. No anger. And a blessing for them in return.
“See? A smile. No anger. And a blessing for them in return.”
exactly.
And while it seems safisoft has decided to be upset about this, he/she has also decided to take a hand at converting us with opinions on scripture.
Should WE now all get upset at this attempt at conversion?
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