How many Jews did Hitler’s ally the Grand Mufti save from the gas chambers in comparison to Eugenio Pacelli’s 850,000+ during the second world war? Your assertions are replete with lies. Nice job violating the Eighth Commandment.
Is it your wish to continue your oppression or do you just want reparations? ;)
Without in any way trying to minimize the historic crimes of Catholics against Jews, if what you say is true, why is it that of the 15 million Jews in the world today, there are 9 million in Israel, 6 million in historically Catholic countries, and exceedingly few --- less than 50,000 --- in majority-Muslim nations?
Historically Jews have suffered greatly at the hands of the nations among whom they lived. Today the Catholic world repents such crimes and calls them them evil and shameful. And the Muslim world applauds such crimes, acquires the means for the extermination of Israel, and relentlessly prepares to finish the Shoah.
“The Roman Church has been the enemy of Judaism for 1800 years”
Your opinion subject to debate.
“And yes, no matter what RC apologists may say”
really? You’ve managed to negate anything a catholic “may say”. based on what?
Here are a few articles that include what a catholic “may say” - although it’ll make “no matter” to you.
http://catholiceducation.org/links/search.cgi?query=inquisition&submit.x=16&submit.y=6
“. Believe it or not, Roman Catholicism has done more harm to Jewish people in its 1800 years than Islam in its 1200 years”
Again...your opinion subject to debate.
Some would say...even some jews...that the Church has been their friend in dark times.
Although I do understand how jews get skittish over people like Mel Gibson claiming their views as correct teaching.
There certainly is a whacko anti-semitic element out there, and they seem to flock to the sedevanticist movement.
They are the 9/11 conspiricists of the catholic church - even though they don’t belong to the catholic church.
If you choose to live among us, with all the suffering that entails, you should be more tolerant of our religious practices.
Actually, the Inquisition only affected baptized Christians. One of the problems is that many of the Jews actually had converted (voluntarily) but had received very poor instruction and had a sort of syncretist version of Christianity. Remember, much of Spain had been under the Muslims for hundreds of years, and there had been dioceses without bishops and hence religious instruction that had kept functioning secretly but where the religion had gotten very confused.
The initial focus of the Inquisition were heretical movements, such as that of Luther, that had crept into various parts of the Catholic world. Jews were, in a sense, incidental, although they were more important in Spain because Spain had always had a large Jewish population, dating back to the Fall of the Temple. But even then, it was conversos that were the subject of the Inquisition, and the Inquisition was not seen as a missionary activity or an attempt to “convert” masses of anybody, Jews or otherwise.
The Court of Ferdinand and Isabella had many Jewish members, not even conversos, but Jews who were practicing Jews. Jews lived in their own separate areas of town, which they governed with their own law, but some of them also participated in city affairs and there were parts of Castilla where Jews were very influential.
Partly because of the clash of the nascent middle class with the hereditary nobility, Jews became the object of insane jealousy and were pawns, to some extent, in the fight between the merchant class, the nobility and the Crown. Being perceived as foreigners, they were a good target; in addition, the Visigothic (Germanic) kings who had invaded Spain after the fall of Rome had been extremely anti-Semitic and had placed many anti-Semitic laws on the books. These laws had rarely been enforced since the time of the Visigoths, but all of a sudden, they were “rediscovered.”
Isabella expelled the Jews (that is, not just conversos, but practicing Jews) quite unwillingly, but after a few truly hideous riots in some parts of Spain, she finally acknowledged that she was unable to protect them. She lost many valuable members of her court in the process, and she was well aware of this at the time.
As for the Inquisition, it essentially became nothing but a way of persecuting one’s political enemies. The Pope sent several bulls to Spain trying to stop it, but because of some powerful Inquisitors and their support by the royals (not Isabella, but subsequent Spanish rulers) he was simply ignored. It eventually ran out of steam, being reduced to things like burning somebody’s hat as a symbolic way of “executing” him and engaging in symbolic posthumous punishments as an attempt to tarnish political enemies who might have been that person’s descendants.
Don’t forget that Franco took in more refugee Jews than almost any other European country, and more than the US. He did so because he was very pious and regarded Jews as the people of Jesus Christ, and hence felt that it was his duty to offer them protection.
Present tense?!
Wait a sec... you may be right. Those weekly collections, and often *second* collections - why would an institution as wealthy as the Catholic Church need to turn the pockets of the laity inside-out? To finance the "War against the Jews", of course. It's all so clear now... (rolls eyes).
Judaism and Christianity were rivals under the Roman Empire, and the Jews lost the race, in part because after 135 they raised the barriers between themselves and the gentiles, and because for Jews who wished to be assimilated, Christianity was a better option. Furthermore, Rome was not the actual ruler of most of the Christians even in the Empire. It was no accident that nearly all the bishops who attended the First Council, the one called by Constantine, were from Eastern cities. Christians were a decided minority in the Western Empire. The same was true of the Jews. Despite the age and prestige of th Roman Church, the pope of Rome played a modest role in the course of events folwwoing Constasntine’s decision to make Christianity the offical religion. The Emperor, after all, was shifting the political center from Italy to the East where the bulk of “Romans” actually lived. Many pagans, many Jews opportunistically joined the now regnant Church. The hostily of Christians was toward both pagans and Jews who chose not to convert.
“Believe it or not, Roman Catholicism has done more harm to Jewish people in its 1800 years than Islam in its 1200 years. Not that either religions’ record is good against Judaism.”
Yeah, well when you get your head lopped off, you infidel, then we’ll ask you whether Catholicism is worse than Islam. Oh, that’s right, you won’t be able to answer, as your head will have been lopped off.