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Pataki Signs Bill Allowing Possession of Self-Defense Sprays (Giuliani opposed - 1995)
NY Times ^
| Published: July 31, 1996
| RAYMOND HERNANDEZ
Posted on 07/12/2007 2:40:42 PM PDT by ellery
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Giuliani appears to be a radical opponent of our God-given right to defend ourselves.
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posted on
07/12/2007 2:40:52 PM PDT
by
ellery
To: ellery
Rudy’s right on attitude.
He’s just too wrong, too often, on too many issues.
Too bad.
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posted on
07/12/2007 2:45:27 PM PDT
by
Flintlock
To: ellery
The Governor's decision drew guarded praise from advocates of victims' rights, who contend that such devices should be available to the public but should not give people a false sense of security. Yes, while still not perfect, a .45 ACP, .40 S&W or even 9 mm handgun is much better for defending oneself. A guy high on drugs will just shrug off the pepper spray. It'll only make him madder.
OTOH, some of the thugs from Mexico and other central American countries, and also Cajun Crooks, might be distracted when they look for their chips in order to take advantage of the free condiment.
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posted on
07/12/2007 2:47:06 PM PDT
by
El Gato
("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
To: Flintlock
Rudys right on attitude. No he's not. From the comments above, he obviously has the attitude that "the people" are too dumb to defend themselves, and must rely on the Nanny State to do it for them, even if it kills them.
I'm sure this attitude towards "the people" extends beyond the realm of self defense, into all sorts of other areas where he would feel the sheeple to stupid to do for themselves.
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posted on
07/12/2007 2:50:11 PM PDT
by
El Gato
("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: ellery
So let me get this right Rudy. It's ok for muggers and rapists to attack and brutalize NY's women, but it's not ok for these women to temporarily blind them with mace so they can escape?
Your problem is obvious JulieAnnie. At least Pataki has his head out in the fresh air.
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posted on
07/12/2007 3:24:06 PM PDT
by
stm
(Fred Thompson in 08! Return our country to the era of Reagan Conservatism)
To: O.W. Holmes
Welcome to graduate school
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posted on
07/12/2007 3:24:45 PM PDT
by
knarf
(I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true.)
To: O.W. Holmes
Welcome — you’re off to a fantastic start! :)
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posted on
07/12/2007 3:26:30 PM PDT
by
ellery
(I don't remember a constitutional amendment that gives you the right not to be identified-R.Giuliani)
To: ellery
Giuliani never met an anti self defense measure he didn’t like.
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posted on
07/12/2007 3:26:48 PM PDT
by
HEY4QDEMS
(What happens if you're frightened half to death........................twice?)
To: ellery
New Yorkers, for the first time in nearly three decades, will be allowed to possess and use self-defense sprays like Chemical Mace I guess the 2nd Amendment doesn't apply in NY?
Screw living there.
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posted on
07/12/2007 3:31:12 PM PDT
by
Centurion2000
(Killing all of your enemies without mercy is the only sure way of sleeping soundly at night.)
To: calcowgirl; Liz; Spiff; NapkinUser; Beagle8U; Jim Robinson; Jet Jaguar; WorkingClassFilth; ...
Ping to folks on other Giuliani gun threads — more proof that Giuliani didn’t merely inherit gun laws that he would have opposed if he could, since he opposed even non-lethal methods of self-defense.
If Giuliani gets the nomination, it’s not going to be difficult for pretty much any donk to run to his right on self-defense issues.
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posted on
07/12/2007 3:51:36 PM PDT
by
ellery
(I don't remember a constitutional amendment that gives you the right not to be identified-R.Giuliani)
To: ellery
A tear gas pen may have saved my life in 1981. I was still living in Manhattan then. On the Friday afternoon before Memorial Day weekend, I was home in my apartment when a burglar (junky) pried open the gate across the fire escape and came in my apartment.
A few months before I had bought a tear gas pen in Connecticut. As the punk was crawling under the grate I sprayed him in the face really good several times from a distance of about three feet. It slowed him down enough that I was then able to run out my apartment door and downstairs. He followed me down to the sidewalk as fast as he could. He stood on the sidewalk cursing me and threatening me with the crowbar he had used to get in. I was able to spray him a couple of more times directly in the eyes from a distance of about 10 feet. Then he took off running.
When the cops finally came they acted like they didn’t hear me when I told them about the tear gas pen. The passage of this bill will probably save many lives.
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posted on
07/12/2007 3:59:12 PM PDT
by
Parmenio
To: ellery
Bill Richardson (d) NM and Mike Gravel (d) AK easily have a better record than Rudy in regards to the 2nd Amendment.
To: ellery
You are right. Most Donks can run to his right. But ...since Rooty is already a jack ass and isn’t even sure if he can believe himself, he will always adjust.
Only an ostrich would believe him.
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posted on
07/12/2007 4:03:34 PM PDT
by
dforest
(Roger Hernand still steenks...oops, did I forget the EZ?)
To: O.W. Holmes
Man, you just joined and you already have his name spelled correctly!
Welcome to FR.
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posted on
07/12/2007 4:05:25 PM PDT
by
dforest
(Roger Hernand still steenks...oops, did I forget the EZ?)
To: ellery
Still, opponents of the law, including Mayor Giuliani and Police Commissioner Howard Safir, have expressed concerns that the sprays might fall into the hands of criminals or be misused by citizens who lack proper training. This guy is an absolute control freak! He deserves no position in government!
Hey, Rudy! It ain't your job to deprive citizens of their right to defend themselves!
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posted on
07/12/2007 4:16:59 PM PDT
by
calcowgirl
("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
To: ellery
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posted on
07/12/2007 4:31:48 PM PDT
by
The Spirit Of Allegiance
(Public Employees: Honor Your Oaths! Defend the Constitution from Enemies--Foreign and Domestic!)
To: ellery
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posted on
07/12/2007 4:49:59 PM PDT
by
tiger-one
(The night has a thousand eyes)
To: ellery
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posted on
07/12/2007 4:55:11 PM PDT
by
Liz
(It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong. Voltaire)
To: El Gato
Still, opponents of the law, including Mayor Giuliani and Police Commissioner Howard Safir, have expressed concerns that the sprays might fall into the hands of criminals or be misused by citizens who lack proper training. The Mayor had urged the Governor in recent weeks not to sign the legislation, arguing that releasing such powerful chemicals in congested areas like New York City could hurt bystanders, not just intended assailants.So, it's been about ten years. Hey rudy, has your predictions come true?
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posted on
07/12/2007 5:10:37 PM PDT
by
lowbridge
(If You’re Gonna Burn Our Flag, Wrap Yourself in It First /No Oil for Pacifists)
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