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Factoring Fred: When the [Giuliani] Base Cracks
World Magazine ^ | July 21, 2007 | Jamie Dean

Posted on 07/13/2007 7:00:49 AM PDT by hardback

According to Richard Land, two words sum up Fred Thompson's burgeoning appeal to Republican voters: "red meat." That's what Land, president of the Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission of the Southern Baptist Convention, says Thompson offers Republicans hungry for a conservative presidential candidate.

Just how hungry are GOP voters? Thompson's polling numbers suggest they are famished. When the former Tennessee senator mentioned on a news talk show in February that he might consider running for president, his poll numbers immediately hit double digits. He surpassed Republican Mitt Romney, who had been running for months and had raised millions.

In early July, though Thompson still hadn't announced his candidacy, the towering actor with a Southern drawl edged into second place among Republicans. He trails Rudy Giuliani by less than 8 percentage points.

Other signs: Former front-runner Sen. John McCain continues to lose steam, and Romney struggles to generate it. Meanwhile, Giuliani grapples with how to win over conservatives who oppose his support of legalized abortion and civil unions for homosexual couples.

The lead that Giuliani has held for months among Republicans, Land says, comes down to electability: Voters see him as the man who could beat Democratic contender Hillary Clinton. Pro-life evangelicals have told Land they will vote for Giuliani "if it means stopping Hillary Clinton," he said, "and they've fussed at me for saying I wouldn't."

Land predicts the fussing will stop once the pro-life Thompson enters the race. He thinks evangelicals will flock to the Tennessee politician: "I think the Giuliani express will slow, stall, and go in reverse."

But even as Thompson stirred expectations that he would announce a presidential bid this month, he served up more appetizers than red meat, and left some supporters hankering for more substance from a politician heavy on style.

During a July visit to Columbia, S.C., Thompson charmed a crowd of supporters with the folksy, straight-shooting demeanor that has become his trademark. The audience applauded a speech that included lines like: "The dogs ain't eatin' the dog food when they put that one out there."

Supporters at the event said they liked Thompson's style and spirit, and the fact that he doesn't embrace political correctness. But Margaret Tilbert, who drove more than 200 miles from her home in Fayetteville, Ga., for the event, said Thompson's speech left her with questions: "He's a good speaker and said things I think that essentially most Americans agree with, but I really don't know that much about him or what he'd do."

Exactly what Thompson would do as president isn't yet clear. The potential candidate has focused on principles, not policy in his public appearances. He's spoken in favor of fostering smaller government, bolstering national security, and securing the border, but hasn't yet revealed specific plans for accomplishing those goals.

One issue Thompson seems sure to emphasize is his pro-life credentials. In a video address to the National Right to Life convention in Kansas City, Mo., last month, Thompson pointed out that he maintained a consistent pro-life voting record in the Senate. He added: "I'm for adult stem-cell research, not stem-cell research where embryos of unborn children are destroyed."

But Thompson faces new questions about his pro-life record: The Los Angeles Times reported earlier this month that Thompson worked as a lobbyist in 1991 for a pro-abortion group. Officials from the National Family Planning and Reproductive Health Association (NFPRHA) say they hired Thompson as part of the organization's effort to overturn a ban on federal funding for clinics that conduct abortion counseling.

Mark Corallo, a Thompson spokesman, flatly denied the claim, according to the Times: "Fred Thompson did not lobby for this group, period." The newspaper posted on its website a copy of minutes from a 1991 NFPRHA board meeting that stated the group hired Thompson.

When reporters asked Thompson about the allegations the day after they surfaced, he replied with another folksy but vague saying: "I'd just say the flies get bigger in the summertime. I guess the flies are buzzing."


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Tennessee
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1 posted on 07/13/2007 7:00:50 AM PDT by hardback
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To: hardback
Giuliani grapples with how to win over conservatives who oppose his support of legalized abortion and civil unions for homosexual couples.

New York liberal. Hey he might make a good mayor?

2 posted on 07/13/2007 7:07:27 AM PDT by showme_the_Glory (ILLEGAL: prohibited by law. ALIEN: Owing political allegiance to another country or government)
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To: hardback
The lead that Giuliani has held for months among Republicans, Land says, comes down to electability: Voters see him as the man who could beat Democratic contender Hillary Clinton.

This puts Giuliani's poll numbers in perspective. GOP'ers (among others) continue to support him simply because he's been billed as the 'only' one who can beat Clinton. That's been a straw dog all along, and people are beginning to wise up to it.

3 posted on 07/13/2007 7:09:04 AM PDT by bcsco ("The American Indians found out what happens when you don't control immigration.")
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To: bcsco

Fred’s tied nationally with Hillary at 45% and that’s great news. Hopefully the state polls break down about the same way


4 posted on 07/13/2007 7:11:11 AM PDT by hardback
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To: hardback

Hillary has too many negatives. That’s shown by how many other Democrat candidates there are, if nothing else. Judging by her husband’s popularity (still) within Democrat circles, she should be the shoe-in for the nomination. she isn’t. And too many voter ‘blocks’ are lining up against her: Men, a large percentage of women, the ultra-far left, etc. Her candidacy is a house of cards.


5 posted on 07/13/2007 7:19:41 AM PDT by bcsco ("The American Indians found out what happens when you don't control immigration.")
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To: bcsco
And too many voter ‘blocks’ are lining up against her:

Vacant lots and the ranks of the dead are still behind her 100%

6 posted on 07/13/2007 7:22:50 AM PDT by agere_contra
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To: hardback
Giuliani grapples with how to win over conservatives...

No real conservative would vote for Giuliani.

7 posted on 07/13/2007 7:24:20 AM PDT by Clam Digger
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To: agere_contra
Vacant lots and the ranks of the dead are still behind her 100%

Don't forget the illegals.

8 posted on 07/13/2007 7:35:27 AM PDT by bcsco ("The American Indians found out what happens when you don't control immigration.")
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To: bcsco

I’m guessing Hillary/Bill are praying for a 3rd party candidate to muddy the waters like Perot in 1992. That seems to be the only situation where they can win


9 posted on 07/13/2007 7:38:40 AM PDT by hardback
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To: hardback

I’d put LIeberman on the ticket with Fred!


10 posted on 07/13/2007 7:45:20 AM PDT by not2worry ( What goes around comes around!)
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To: hardback

That will probably be Bloomberg. Makes you wonder if that wasn’t the plan all along, doesn’t it?


11 posted on 07/13/2007 7:49:30 AM PDT by Newfy
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To: not2worry

How about a Ron Paul/Joe Lieberman ticket or vice versa? I think that would be a winner.


12 posted on 07/13/2007 7:50:35 AM PDT by Newfy
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13 posted on 07/13/2007 7:51:53 AM PDT by Politicalmom (Nearly 1% of illegals are in prison for felonies. Less than 1/10 of 1% of the legal population is.)
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To: hardback
Fred’s tied nationally with Hillary at 45% and that’s great news. Hopefully the state polls break down about the same way

I haven't seen any "general election" head-to-head state results. I will say that in the latest Rasmussen, only Thompson ties or beats Clinton nationally on the GOP side.

So much for all of the "only Rudy can beat Hillary" hype.

14 posted on 07/13/2007 7:53:54 AM PDT by kevkrom (The religion of global warming: "There is no goddess but Gaia and Al Gore is her profit.")
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To: not2worry

Not after he voted for the amnesty bill.


15 posted on 07/13/2007 7:53:58 AM PDT by Politicalmom (Nearly 1% of illegals are in prison for felonies. Less than 1/10 of 1% of the legal population is.)
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To: hardback

Well, we have Bloomberg, but he’ll draw more from the Democrats. And there’s just an outside chance that McCain could take his campaign outside the GOP. But that’s a real long shot IMHO. If he can’t raise the cash now, how could he expect going Independent would help?


16 posted on 07/13/2007 7:56:04 AM PDT by bcsco ("The American Indians found out what happens when you don't control immigration.")
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To: Newfy
How about a Ron Paul/Joe Lieberman ticket or vice versa? I think that would be a winner.

Hay Jim this man wins funny post of the day! :)

17 posted on 07/13/2007 7:58:50 AM PDT by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: Politicalmom
According to Richard Land, two words sum up Fred Thompson's burgeoning appeal to Republican voters: "Fred meat."
I see FRed People!!
18 posted on 07/13/2007 8:46:14 AM PDT by FlashBack (WoundedWarriorProject.Org)
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To: showme_the_Glory

Do you think Giuliani could win Queens and Brooklyn if he were the nominee? I don’t. He might get a third in Manhattan though.


19 posted on 07/13/2007 11:40:31 AM PDT by Theodore R. ( Cowardice is still forever!)
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To: hardback

When McCain drops out, by 2-1 the McCain voters will jump to Giuliani.


20 posted on 07/13/2007 12:15:24 PM PDT by finnman69 (May Paris Hilton's plane crash into Britney Spears house while Lindsey Lohan is over doing coke)
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