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Is U.S. going the way of Rome? National discontent stems partly from government's control
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | 7/14/07 | Star Parker

Posted on 07/14/2007 1:05:14 AM PDT by JohnHuang2

"Are We Rome?" asks a new book authored by an editor at Vanity Fair magazine. The subtitle is "The Fall of an Empire and the Fate of America."

It seems, given the dour mood of the country, that this would be a good time to market such a book. And, indeed, as I check its sales clip on Amazon, it seems to be moving at a brisk pace that must please both author and publisher.

So, is America creaking and crumbling like a latter-day Rome?

If it is, the word hasn't gotten to our financial markets. Stocks are booming, interest rates, inflation and unemployment are low, and companies are making money.

Usually this is the formula for a happy electorate. But, for some reason, not now.

According to polls, less than a third of Americans are happy with their president, barely more than a fourth are happy with their Congress, and three-quarters feel the country is on the wrong track.

A recent New York Times/CBS poll shows pessimism extending among our young people. In a survey of 17- to 29-year-olds, 70 percent said the nation is on the wrong track.

When asked if "your generation will be better off, worse off or about the same as your parents' generation," 48 percent said worse off, 25 percent said better off and 25 percent said the same.

These young people, looking for change, are helping fuel Obamaphoria. In the Times/CBS poll, Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., was the presidential candidate about whom they expressed the most enthusiasm. They surely are an important source of his large number of low-dollar and online contributors.

But what is driving the dissatisfaction?

Certainly, there is unhappiness about the war in Iraq. We hear comparisons to Vietnam. But let's recall that the death toll in Vietnam, when the protests got most intense, was far beyond the 3,000-plus casualties we have experienced thus far in Iraq.

By the time we exited Vietnam, we had lost more than 50,000 of our soldiers.

But why would unhappiness about our engagement in Iraq cause half of younger Americans to say they will be worse off than their parents?

Here's one hypothesis about what may be affecting the general mood. People feel rattled when they feel a loss of control.

One thing Americans have done over the years is turn more and more of their lives over to others to control. This is reflected in the growth of government.

At the beginning of the last century, government took less than one dollar of every 10 produced by the nation's economy. By the 1950s, government was taking about one dollar of every four produced. Now it is taking almost a third.

In actuality, government is taking more than a third today because our accounting is not fully reflecting the huge over-commitments in Social Security and Medicare. According to a recent paper by economists from the Cato Institute and the University of Pennsylvania, we'd need a payroll tax of 14.5 percent, more than double the current tax, to cover these obligations.

Along with the growth of government, there has been a dramatic shift from local and state control to the federal government.

At the beginning of the last century, 70 percent of government spending was at the state and local level. Today, almost two-thirds of government spending is at the federal level.

All of this means two things. First, a large portion of our lives today is politicized and run inefficiently. One of the reasons our free economy works so well is that businesses change as times change. But once a government program starts, entrenched political interests make change almost impossible. Consider President Bush's aborted effort to fundamentally reform Social Security.

Second, people feel impotent as their lives are increasingly controlled by distant bureaucrats and monolithic government programs.

In the same Times/CBS poll, 45 percent of 17- to 29-year-olds said they would have less influence and 18 percent said they would have more influence than older people in picking the next president. Is this not ironic in a time of the Internet, primaries and campaign-finance reform?

So, is Rome and decline in the cards for us?

I think we'll be OK if we don't forget how we got successful and what drives failure. Our success has come from freedom and letting individuals take responsibility for their own lives. But failure comes when we lose the humility required of freedom and turn to prideful notions that we can design government programs that solve life's problems.

For guidance here, we must turn not to history but to Proverbs.

"Pride goes before destruction and a haughty spirit before a fall."


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1 posted on 07/14/2007 1:05:16 AM PDT by JohnHuang2
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To: SevenofNine
Jim Rome?
2 posted on 07/14/2007 1:06:44 AM PDT by monkapotamus
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To: JohnHuang2
By the time we exited Vietnam, we had lost more than 50,000 of our soldiers.

I've read that we COULD have lost up toi 50,000 people in the WTC if the attack happened in the mid-afternoon.

If that happened, I'm thinking the 3000 we've lost in Iraq would not be considered such a high loss, and people would feel just fine about our involvment there.

Instead, we made so much about losing 3000 on 9-11, as we should, and here we've lost another 3000, through our own action.

3 posted on 07/14/2007 1:24:05 AM PDT by Darkwolf377 (Bostonian, atheist, prolifer, free-speech zealot, pro-legal immigration anti-socialist dude.)
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To: JohnHuang2
One thing Americans have done over the years is turn more and more of their lives over to others to control. This is reflected in the growth of government.

It is better to trust in the Lord than to trust in princes

4 posted on 07/14/2007 3:09:16 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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To: JohnHuang2
Is U.S. going the way of Rome?

That is a question that I have asked many times.

The Decline and Fall of the USA

thanks to the Liberal/Socialist/Marxist/Progressives that are in government.

5 posted on 07/14/2007 4:07:31 AM PDT by Dustbunny (The BIBLE - Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth)
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To: Darkwolf377
If we had lost 50,000 people on 9/11, the president would have been impeached within a week unless he turned every Islamic capital in the Middle East into smoking ruins.

Actually, if you had told people on 9/12/01 that within the next 6 years the U.S. would lose 3,000+ troops in a war whose only purpose was to establish and prop up a dysfunctional government in Iraq -- under which Islam is enshrined as the official state religion, mind you -- I bet no more than a handful of them ever would have believed you.

6 posted on 07/14/2007 4:08:47 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (I'm out on the outskirts of nowhere . . . with ghosts on my trail, chasing me there.)
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To: Alberta's Child
Actually, if you had told people on 9/12/01 that within the next 6 years the U.S. would lose 3,000+ troops in a war whose only purpose was to establish and prop up a dysfunctional government in Iraq -- under which Islam is enshrined as the official state religion, mind you -- I bet no more than a handful of them ever would have believed you.

This place is being overrun by wackjobs.

7 posted on 07/14/2007 4:13:02 AM PDT by Darkwolf377 (Bostonian, atheist, prolifer, free-speech zealot, pro-legal immigration anti-socialist dude.)
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To: Alberta's Child

Come now...Oil, it is about oil...


8 posted on 07/14/2007 4:21:43 AM PDT by dakine
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To: JohnHuang2
17-29 year olds are angry because they feel guilty. They're ashamed that thier contemporaries are the tip of the spear in Iraq and Afghanistan but they can't muster the fortitude to risk everything for their country.
9 posted on 07/14/2007 4:25:36 AM PDT by Doohickey (Giuliani: Brokeback Republican)
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To: monkapotamus

Yes! Nothing short of a full scale conservative revolution can save this nation now.


10 posted on 07/14/2007 4:25:48 AM PDT by TonyM (E)
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To: Darkwolf377
Hey, we can even take it one step further. Let's see what the end result of all this nonsense has been . . .

1. Iraq's Ba'athist government overthrown
2. Saddam Hussein executed
3. A new Shi'ite-dominated government in place in Iraq
4. The U.S. utterly incapable of mounting a serious military campaign anywhere in the Middle East
5. The ruling party in the U.S. government thrown out of office, to be replaced by elected officials who are basically avowed Communists
6. Iran's biggest export (oil) trading at historic high prices
7. (As a result of #6) Iran's nuclear program accelerated to a point far beyond anything they could have imagined.

If you had told me back in 2002 that this is what would transpire over the next five years, I'd swear there had to be an agent of the Iranian government sitting in the White House.

11 posted on 07/14/2007 4:27:43 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (I'm out on the outskirts of nowhere . . . with ghosts on my trail, chasing me there.)
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To: Alberta's Child
If you had told me back in 2002 that this is what would transpire over the next five years, I'd swear there had to be an agent of the Iranian government sitting in the White House.

I'm guessing you're a Tancredo supporter.

12 posted on 07/14/2007 4:30:49 AM PDT by Darkwolf377 (Bostonian, atheist, prolifer, free-speech zealot, pro-legal immigration anti-socialist dude.)
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To: Darkwolf377

Uh, no.


13 posted on 07/14/2007 4:44:07 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (I'm out on the outskirts of nowhere . . . with ghosts on my trail, chasing me there.)
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To: Doohickey

That is an interesting comment. When I attend high school graduations I see a fairly large number of kids going directly into the military. I’ve seen kids turn down scholarships to join the military. Others have no concept of world events that exist outside of their bubble. Some worry about everything. Luckily that is a small group.

When I talk to my kids friends about Iraq it is barely on their radar. They rarely think about it.


14 posted on 07/14/2007 5:01:54 AM PDT by Dutch Boy
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To: JohnHuang2
Right on target! It astounds the rational mind that millions of Amereicans want to INCREASE the size, reach, power, and appetite of the Frankenstein's monster known as the Federal Government. This means increasing the number of burocrats who control and subjugate everyone else.

It's madness. It's choosing masters, a priveleged class, to overpower you.

Yet millions are in overdrive working for bigger and bigger government--a bigger, more powerful class of masters--a bigger army of parasites.

15 posted on 07/14/2007 5:12:01 AM PDT by Savage Beast (Ignore the will of the people at your peril, Political "Aristocrats"!)
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To: JohnHuang2
“Is U.S. going the way of Rome? National discontent stems partly from government’s control”

No, but we may end up fighting another Civil War... and the Conservative side will NOT be the side eventually wearing bhurkas.

LLS

16 posted on 07/14/2007 5:16:53 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Support America, Kill terrorists, Destroy dims!)
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To: Darkwolf377
"I'm guessing you're a Tancredo supporter."

Is that to infer, Tancredo is a patriotic conservative who loves his country and its citizens, wants to protect the US and would take the oath of office seriously?

17 posted on 07/14/2007 5:24:08 AM PDT by EverOnward
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To: JohnHuang2

If we were Rome, Fallujah would be covered in salt, Osama would have been hanging from a cross in a pig skin [or everybody who didn’t flip him in would], the world would be looking at at least several centuries of peace, and the entrance to the State Department would be inscribed with “ODERINT DUM METUANT”.


18 posted on 07/14/2007 5:42:17 AM PDT by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: JohnHuang2
One thing Americans have done over the years is turn more and more of their lives over to others to control. This is reflected in the growth of government.

I call BS!

Americans haven't 'turned over' anything. The control that was lost was stripped from us without so much as a by-your-leave by the nannystaters.

And yes, since our country's laws and government were patterned after that of Rome, it would be logical to assume America would suffer the same fate.

19 posted on 07/14/2007 5:53:41 AM PDT by MamaTexan (Government can make NO law contrary to the law that made the government)
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To: JohnHuang2

Why would young people disillusioned with government control over our lives support Obama? This is insane logic.


20 posted on 07/14/2007 6:08:54 AM PDT by WashingtonSource
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