Posted on 07/14/2007 10:33:34 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
Madonna and Bon Jovi are no match for Hawaiian flies when it comes to karaoke hits at the University of Nebraska State Museum in Lincoln. In a popular exhibit activity, visitors attempt to mimic the unique courtship calls of different species of Hawaiian Drosophila, a group of 800 different flies that may have evolved from a single species.
Fly karaoke is part of "Explore Evolution," a permanent exhibit currently at Nebraska and five other museums in the Midwest and Southwest...that explores evolutionary concepts in new ways. Such an activity is a far cry from the traditional way science museums have presented evolution, which usually included charts called phylogenies depicting ancestral relationships or a static set of fossils arranged chronologically. "Explore Evolution'' has those, too—and then some, because museum curators came to realize that they needed better ways to counter growing attacks on their integrity.
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Under pressure from these kinds of groups, the Kansas State Board of Education in 2005 approved a curriculum that allowed the public schools to include completely unfounded challenges to the theory of evolution.
In an effort to make their case to the public, creationists raised $26 million in private donations to build the 50,000-square-foot Creation Museum in Petersburg, Ky., which opened in late May. The institution presents the biblical history of the universe. Visitors learn that biblically, dinosaurs are best explained as creatures that roamed Earth with humans. In its first month of existence, the museum drew over 49,000 visitors, according to its Web site.
"Explore Evolution," funded by a $2.8 million grant from the National Science Foundation, is one of many recent efforts by science museums to counter such resistance to evolution...
(Excerpt) Read more at sciam.com ...
And I'm curious how changes in chromosomes can result POSITIVE results.
As far as I know, from everything I've read, any time there's a change in the number of chromosomes in a human, it results in a debilitating condition. I wonder if this is the same in all the animal kingdom, and why or why not? And if this is the case, then how can evolution that results in a change in the number of chromosomes even occur?
I'd be interested in some evo explanation of this.
Variation within species occurs, has been seen, can be demonstrated in the lab. It has been used for thousands of years with breeding in domestic animals, dogs being a good example.
Speciation is defined as inability to interbreed.
This can be seen in a ring species. Local populations within a ring species are all interfertile, but the endpoints of the ring can't interbreed.
There you have not only two different species (as speciation is defined by the current scientific community), but also a series of intermediates (transitionals).
And this is just one example of speciation as proposed by the current scientific community.
Then why are dogs and wolves considered different species? Horses and donkeys? Lions and tigers?
Has science explored the vast extent of interbreeding that is possible or impossible?
The term *species* is pretty subjective and elastic and does not appear to be applied consistently.
Romans 8:18 For I consider that our present sufferings cannot even be compared to the glory that will be revealed to us. For the creation eagerly waits for the revelation of the sons of God.
For the creation was subjected to futility – not willingly but because of God who subjected it – in hope that the creation itself will also be set free from the bondage of decay into the glorious freedom of God’s children.
For we know that the whole creation groans and suffers together until now. Not only this, but we ourselves also, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we eagerly await our adoption, the redemption of our bodies. For in hope we were saved. Now hope that is seen is not hope, because who hopes for what he sees? But if we hope for what we do not see, we eagerly wait for it with endurance.
Agreed. I tend to enter these conversations when folks try to pretend their religious beliefs are science. Even worse is when it is bad science.
Has science explored the vast extent of interbreeding that is possible or impossible?
The term *species* is pretty subjective and elastic and does not appear to be applied consistently.
In addition to physical inability to interbreed, there are also behavioral reasons for not interbreeding. But you are right, these definitions are not perfect.
None of this disproves the theory of evolution.
“Even worse is when it is bad science.” And for seeing that clearly, I usually have to rely upon those who do it more than those who pun about over it.
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All the more the reason for Jesus' earth shaking, NO universe shaking meme;
"You MUST be born again".. Not it would nice if you were, or a smart man would be; but, "You MUST be born again"..
All of Solomon's or anybody else's wisdom is simply not GOOD ENOUGH..
Good enough for WHAT?.. That IS the question.. pregnant with possibilities..
You do not know what you are talking about. The 2nd law says that any heat engine must reject some heat in order to do useful work. Entropy is a corollary to that. Creationists never cite the Gibbs Free Energy equation, which they are using to justify their claims. If they did, they would realize that just like many chemical reactions that create more order (as in dispersal of matter and energy throughout a system) the entropy of the environment overall still increases. I'll give you a hint: ΔS_int + ΔS_ext > 0 (for any process). Creationists only pay attention to ΔS_int.
Our answer to the Great Question is the only logical one. Our Science is great. Let us not forget the great Richard Dawkins who finally freed the world of religion long ago. Dawkins knew that logic and reason were the way of the future. But it wasn’t until he met his beautiful wife that he learned using logic and reason isn’t enough. You have to be a dick to everyone who doesn’t think like you. Prepare all the troops! We will level the United Atheist Alliance to the ground!
It has everything to do with time and temperature.
Entropy is a measure of "times arrow".
So what. Are you trying to argue that it is better to believe a lie that is comforting and makes your feel like your life has meaning than accept the truth which is harsh and says your life is meaningless? This is fleshed out in more detail by Thomas Nagel's "The Absurd."
If science teaches us anything, it is that drawing a ‘final’ conclusion on so great a question is ill advised ... at this time.
that was funny
My post was related to a philosophical problem. I do not understand why you think I was bringing up a scientific point.
If her worldview was wrong and all existence was pointless, what would be the point in giving up her worldview since all views would be equally pointless? If existence is pointless, then so is your question. Why would anyone labor to answer a pointless question? If the universe has a point then your question is irrelevant (again pointless). There must be a name for this fallacy, but, if there is, it escapes me. Maybe it is so irrational it has no name. (The fallacy of the pointless point?)
Thanks for the beep, boop
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