Posted on 07/14/2007 10:33:34 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
Madonna and Bon Jovi are no match for Hawaiian flies when it comes to karaoke hits at the University of Nebraska State Museum in Lincoln. In a popular exhibit activity, visitors attempt to mimic the unique courtship calls of different species of Hawaiian Drosophila, a group of 800 different flies that may have evolved from a single species.
Fly karaoke is part of "Explore Evolution," a permanent exhibit currently at Nebraska and five other museums in the Midwest and Southwest...that explores evolutionary concepts in new ways. Such an activity is a far cry from the traditional way science museums have presented evolution, which usually included charts called phylogenies depicting ancestral relationships or a static set of fossils arranged chronologically. "Explore Evolution'' has those, too—and then some, because museum curators came to realize that they needed better ways to counter growing attacks on their integrity.
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Under pressure from these kinds of groups, the Kansas State Board of Education in 2005 approved a curriculum that allowed the public schools to include completely unfounded challenges to the theory of evolution.
In an effort to make their case to the public, creationists raised $26 million in private donations to build the 50,000-square-foot Creation Museum in Petersburg, Ky., which opened in late May. The institution presents the biblical history of the universe. Visitors learn that biblically, dinosaurs are best explained as creatures that roamed Earth with humans. In its first month of existence, the museum drew over 49,000 visitors, according to its Web site.
"Explore Evolution," funded by a $2.8 million grant from the National Science Foundation, is one of many recent efforts by science museums to counter such resistance to evolution...
(Excerpt) Read more at sciam.com ...
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>Yet apparently some people still do. It’s sad, isn’t it?
May you be saved before the last day, FRiend.
With respect to evolution the energy system is not closed because the sun is constantly pumping more energy into it.
However, the second law of thermodynamics applied to the finite (albeit vast) energy in the entire cosmos creates a major problem for naturalism.
Why should we care if there is a "meaning of life"? I'm not being rhetorical, I'm really asking.
Bible: God is the creator of all things. (Genesis 1)
Evolution: Natural chance processes can account for the existence of all things.
Evolution does not say this, although Naturalism does.
Bible: World created as is in six literal days. (Genesis 1)
I don't see why it is necessarily literal, the early narratives of Genesis seem to be pretty metaphorical to me.
Evolution: World evolved over billions of years.
Well there is a lot of astrological evidence that suggests a very old world. Seemingly if God created the Universe in six literal days He took pains to make it look older.
Bible: Creation is completed. (Genesis 2:3)
Evolution: Creative processes continuing.
The verse simply says He rested from all the work He had done. It does not say anything about forswearing future creative processes. The Revelation of John strongly suggests otherwise, besides this is the day the Lord has made, how about rejoicing and being glad in it?
Bible: Oceans before land. (Genesis 1:2)
Evolution: Land before oceans.
I'm not sure how evolution requires land before oceans. Seems like a question for Geography.
Bible: First life on land. (Genesis 1:11)
Evolution: Life began in the oceans.
Bible: First life was land plants. (Genesis 1:11)
Evolution: Marine organisms evolved first.
The order mentioned in the initial narrative in Genesis is: 1) land plants 2) water animals 3) land animals. It seems water plants were not mentioned in this account. If we put them before land plants then the orders are rectified.
Bible: Earth before sun and stars. (Genesis 1:14-19)
Evolution: Sun and stars before earth.
Evolution aside, the science of astronomy seems to suggest an earth before the sun and stars is absurd. While reading the specific passage it does however seem to be written from the perspective of an observer on the Earth: "Let there be lights in the expanse of the sky to separate the day from the night..." (NIV). I would note that until the Earth existed no such perspective would be possible, even if the stars and sun had already existed.
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Evolution: Man originally a meat-eater.
Really? I thought most anthropologists had us pegged as originally vegetarian.
Bible: Death caused by Eve and Adam eating the forbidden fruit. (Genesis 2:17)
Evolution: Death existed long before the evolution of man.
Death was seemingly avoided only by eating the fruit of the Tree of Life, which was available to Adam and Eve, but not necessarily to any other form of life. Also, it seemed Adam and Eve knew what death was when God and then the serpent mentioned it (which I don't think was literally a serpent, but actually Satan--how about you?). Presumably then, other forms of life could die at the time.
But specifically, what part of biological evolution disobeys the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics. In other words, what part of evolution, if correct, requires the entropy of a biological system(s) to decrease more than the increase in entropy of its surroundings?
Or are you saying that evolution doesn't specifically violate the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics?
no that is not evidence... there is nothing about fossils that give “evidence” for evolution. evolution is merely a convinient explantion for the differing fossils.
“...I know if i (sic) type one single character wrong...”
LOL
Piling up facts is not science--science is facts-and-theories. Facts alone have limited use and lack meaning: a valid theory organizes them into far greater usefulness.A powerful theory not only embraces old facts and new but also discloses unsuspected facts.
Expanded Universe: The New Worlds of Robert A. Heinlein, 1980, pp. 480-481
Just checked with Enrico Fermi. Thermodynamics has nothing to do with the arrow of time. Nothing in physics has anything to do with the arrow of time. There is no arrow of time.
Huh? Even the least sophisticated human beings on this planet have (and for a very, very long time) developed and practiced religious observances. Your statement made me recall Austin’s “Pride and Prejudice”, where when asked by Elizabeth (I think) to dance, Mr Darcy responds, “Any savage can dance; most do.” I like Darcy's "logic" better than yours.
“Dry rot” is a biological process caused by fungi, it is not a consequence of the Second Law of Thermodynamics. Also, I enjoyed the illustration depicting the inevitable decline that is a result of order moving towards disorder. I only wish I had seen it before all those physics and chemistry classes I took; just think of the effort and money I could have saved.
“I know that I have read a few testimonies from biologists... I wish I could find those testimonies.”
I wish you could too.
“BA in Meteorology...”
A BA? That seems odd; I would have thought that field would generate a BS (accept perhaps for those studying to enter the television weatherman market). But that said, surely with any degree in meteorology you understand the Second Law of Thermodynamics and the concepts of open and closed systems; I can’t imagine what could be more fundamental to forecasting. Why don’t you take a moment and explain to your fellow ID advocates that when they use this as evidence of their positions, they are barking up the wrong tree?
“UNLESS there is a giant outside source of energy supplying the Earth with huge amounts of energy. If there were such a source, scientists would certainly know about it...”
LOL. I guess he’s right! Scientists (and more than a few others) do!
Interesting that you would use that term. “Hocus pocus” is a consequence of mangling “Hoc in corpus”: This is my body. It came to use when folks attended church services that were conducted in a language not their own. Deliciously ironic.
The part that insists that specified complexity can derive from random chaos unguided by a priori information.
The Neo Darwinist's concept of information gained by the organism along the way and operating on random change informed by survivability has the problem of explaining where the organism's specified original information came from in the first place.
Entropy is a measure of disorder (i.e. decay). Disorder is the natural direction of the universe sans information and energy.
This is Rudolf Clausius's formulatin of the second law. It's the one that is normally used in evo debates.
In an isolated system, a process can occur only if it increases the total entropy of the system. Thus, the system can either stay the same, or undergo some physical process that increases entropy. Processes that decrease total entropy of an isolated system do not occur. If a system is at equilibrium, by definition no spontaneous processes occur, and therefore the system is at maximum entropy.
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