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“Salomon Ortiz, (D-Corpus) is against the wall,” Cascos said,

It's spelled SOLOMON, JOSÉ!

1 posted on 07/15/2007 7:44:15 PM PDT by SwinneySwitch
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2 posted on 07/15/2007 7:45:53 PM PDT by SwinneySwitch (US Constitution Article 4 Section 4..shall protect each of them against Invasion...domestic Violence)
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To: SwinneySwitch

Um, the Iron Curtain mostly did work. It kept 99.9999999999995% of the people who wanted to leave the East in.

Sure, a few people did get around it, but not many. A wall or fence won’t completely stop the flow of illegals - but then we shouldn’t be building the wall by itself. We should support it with patrols and sentry guns - and even the wall by itself should greatly reduce the numbers of illegals.


3 posted on 07/15/2007 7:48:15 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: SwinneySwitch
. “China tried (built a wall) and it didn’t work.”

Is this a joke? China built a VERY effective wall that kept the animals at bay for hundreds of years.

4 posted on 07/15/2007 7:50:14 PM PDT by Malsua
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To: SwinneySwitch
[Group forms human wall in protest of border fence]

OK. Build the fence north of them and call it a day.

5 posted on 07/15/2007 7:51:05 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham (Elections have consequences.)
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To: SwinneySwitch

Umm, actually the Berlin wall worked spectacularly well. Especially the tower gun turrets and the no-mans land areas on both sides. So well that only about 100 people made it across in roughly 40+ years.

I’d say our Mexico bordoer wall would be a raging success if we got these kind of stats.


6 posted on 07/15/2007 7:53:07 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man
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To: SwinneySwitch

Well, I guess if Jorge Martinez, Mario Garza, Carlos H. Cascos, and Salomon Ortiz are against the wall, then that settles it.


7 posted on 07/15/2007 7:53:07 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: SwinneySwitch

Let’s see:

Jorge Martinez, Mario Garza, Cameron County Judge Carlos H. Cascos, Salomon Ortiz, (D-Corpus) and J. Johnson Castro, a grassroots activist...

= South Texas ??


10 posted on 07/15/2007 7:56:25 PM PDT by traumer
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To: SwinneySwitch

Just build the wall, and if Jorge Martinez,Mario Garza and J. Johnson Castro get in the way,use them as supports for it !!!


11 posted on 07/15/2007 7:58:49 PM PDT by Obie Wan
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To: SwinneySwitch
Jorge Martinez, a [junior communication major] at the University of Texas at Brownsville and Texas Southmost College, said .... “It sends a bad message to the rest of the world,”
 

Jorge Martinez is sending a bad message to future employers who will Google his name and school.

You'd think a communication major would realize this.

13 posted on 07/15/2007 8:00:09 PM PDT by SteveMcKing
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Jorge Martinez, a student kook at the University of Texas

Wonder if he is kin to zee jorge bush?

15 posted on 07/15/2007 8:03:16 PM PDT by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: SwinneySwitch

Can you say border wall and have those people step a bit so they will be in their own country.


17 posted on 07/15/2007 8:20:43 PM PDT by freekitty
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To: SwinneySwitch

Who said Berlin wall didn’t work? It did prevent millions of East-Berliners to cross the line. Yes, of course there’s always some people who tried, and were succesful, but if the wall can halt half of the current flow from Mexico, it’s still better.


19 posted on 07/15/2007 8:27:39 PM PDT by paudio
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The reason these idiots don’t want a wall is because they are so close to the border. Crimmigration does not effect them as much as it does those a few hundred miles away from the border. Crimmigrants do not stop just inside the U.S., they try to get as far into the country as possible, the same as leaving the scene of the crime.


20 posted on 07/15/2007 8:36:56 PM PDT by ConservaTexan (February 6, 1911)
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"Martinez is skeptical a border wall would be the most appropriate solution to stop the immigration spill into the U.S."

Actually, Martinez KNEW that the border fence in that area would prevent or at least hinder the illegal encroachment of America by foreign invaders.

21 posted on 07/15/2007 8:49:22 PM PDT by zerosix (Native Sunflower)
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Were they naked? It can’t be taken serious unless they’re naked!

“Martinez said nothing will stop immigrants from coming to the U.S. looking for what he calls the American Dream.”

Mr. Martinez, ever hear of the concept of an international boarder, like the one South of Mexico which is vigorously enforced? I understand you’re Mexican first and a citizen of the US second. However, understanding this concept isn’t hard. The US is being flooded by criminals; we have a soft underbelly through which anyone could come in with the intent to do us harm. Since we’re on the topic of security, how many of these illegals have TB do you think?

An illegal immigrant from Mexico in Southern California was responsible for infecting at least 56 other people before he was incarcerated and forced to undergo treatment in 1997. Why do you think the rate of TB is disproportional to the rest of the country along boarder states? Ever hear of ebola, leprosy, polio….etc? Do you know why we have an INS and a system with procedures in place for immigration? What if I said that roughly 80% of all TB cases in the US are either illegals are people who were infected by illegals?

The overwhelming majority of the illegals are unskilled and uneducated laborers who only have a marginal benefit to offer this society. It’s not the surgeon from Mexico City that’s hopping the boarder, and if you look at prisons in boarder states you might be surprised to see this substantiated. Many of these people don’t integrate into society and can’t even speak English, many end up being a burden on the tax payer, our social services, neighborhoods…etc.

Think about this for a second. In this country we probably have somewhere around 12,000,000 illegals. Roughly 90% of them are uninsured! Just so that number soaks in, 90%. Tomorrow it will people like you advocating national healthcare, aka social medicine. Will you also mention who makes up roughly 1/3-1/2 of those uninsured?

In reality the fix here too is simple. In the US we have the IRS, local Police, and other federal and state institutions which if prodded to do their damn job could easily identify the culprits (employers) feeding this monster of illegal immigration and those who are here illegally. Furthermore, fences cost money and can be dug under, climbed over, busted through….whatever. A change in US laws concerning citizenship needs to be considered. The illegal squeezing out her baby here and this baby having a birthright to US citizenship makes no sense. Australia actually could be a good example to follow.

A fence is the clean political way of dealing with this problem but does not fix anything as you state. Believe it or not Mr. Martinez, we agree! Boarder “ENFORCEMENT” is easy if the authorities there have the green light to enforce the boarder using the means they only theoretically have available, if you catch my drift. However, images and political sensitivities rule the political process. So we'll have to deal with a fence which will bring us little but is about as far as anyone is willing to take the issue, since illegal immigration is largely perceived as a victimless crime, Americans will have a low threshold for the ugly, which is inevitable with any true intent to enforce our boarder. However, the reworking of US law concerning citizenship, various law enforcement agencies enforcing the laws, federal and state authorities going after employers; if executed thoroughly will dry up the well. We can all rest assured though, the enforcement side of our boarder will go neglected because this is not a pretty political course of action. There is a reason why this fence is still not built, still not funded..... The fence, like the nonsense Democratic Party proposals on Iraq for withdraw is there to appease those who demand action but it's already known that nothing will be accomplished with this move. It's a political maneuver that is necessary but is in reality not supported.

22 posted on 07/15/2007 9:44:03 PM PDT by Red6 (Come and take it.)
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Jorge Martinez, a student at the University of Texas at Brownsville and Texas Southmost College, said the construction of a border wall would be a burden to tax payers....

Of course, the millions of illegals draining the coffers of our welfare systems don't cost the taxpayers anything./sarc

26 posted on 07/16/2007 4:24:14 AM PDT by ol' hoghead (He is not here; for he is risen.)
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Jorge Martinez, a student ( junior communication major) at the University of Texas at Brownsville

“China tried (built a wall) and it didn’t work.”

“The Berlin Wall (did not work),” he said.

Well.

I predict that master Martinez will retain his student status for a VERY long time.

27 posted on 07/16/2007 9:06:29 AM PDT by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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Group forms human wall in protest of border fence

Useless effort. Walls don't work, remember?

28 posted on 07/16/2007 9:08:45 AM PDT by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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