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Something brewing in Israel
eye on the ground | July 18 2007 | American in Israel

Posted on 07/17/2007 10:56:59 PM PDT by American in Israel

Just a freeper observation, but there are strong indications that next week, during the time of the 9th of AV, that there will be a serious Arab attack on Israel.

The word on the street from the local Palestinians is to quote from a few "There will no longer be a Zionist problem in Palestine this month." Nobody is really talking, but I am getting veiled warnings from Palestinian friends. One such warning was a rather cryptic answer to a pointed question about war with Israel; "Do you know what the 9th of Av is? Every time Israel fights a war on the 9th of Av it looses"... People refuse to talk about war or answer any direct questions. This is very uncharacteristic for Palestinians; usually they are very verbally expressive. The following is what got me to finally write this note to you all. It is an excerpt from an email sent to me by a friend.

Today we had business to do in Jerusalem, so we left our home at 7 am and traveled down the east side of the Galilee, through Bet Shean and past the check point at Sede Trimot in the Jordan Valley.

Once we entered the Jordan Valley as we passed through the Arab agricultural areas we noticed the following which is most unusual;


1. There were no people visible working the in the fields. 2. There were no children along the side of the road.
3. There were no tractors or other farm vehicles anywhere to be seen.
4. All of the vegetables had been completely harvested and the fields were 100% empty.
5. No preparation of the fields was evident for the next planting...Plastic was everywhere from the prior crop.
6. The greenhouses had no plants in them..... 7. The vegetable stands that are normally filled to the brim from the harvest were completely vacant.
8. This is the peak season for growing vegetables in the Jordan Valley, yet everything had been harvested and nothing was growing waiting to be harvested or picked.

We concluded our business in Jerusalem and got back on the road again about 2:45 pm heading north up the Jordan Valley. Again, no people, no fruit stands, no crops, nothing!
Do these Arabs know something is about to happen that we do not know is coming? The 9th of Av is on July 23rd, which is the exact day both Temples in Jerusalem were destroyed hundreds of years apart...

This is just not how things are this time of year normally. The entire valley is the best land for growing crops in Israel and completly under the control of the Arabs. This land is the Palestinian food supply. For some reason they do not believe they need the food this year!

A friend of mine that is politicaly connected mentioned that he was thinking that the first attack date for the Arab League may be the 9th of AV, and the Sept/Oct period as the backup date. He does not believe that Syria will be ready by next week, so he thinks they will use the fall back date. However Hamas/Fatah have their people totally prepared for the first date. They may jump, even if Syria gives the no signal.

As a Biblical side reference, Isaiah 14 28-33, and Zephaniah 2 refer I believe to the destruction of the modern day Palestinians. Interestingly enough it says: " I will kill thy root with famine, and he shall slay thy remnant.." Zehpaniah 2 indicates that the industrial city of Ashkelon, (third largest city in Israel I believe), will be wiped out, but that a smoke cloud from its direction will go over Gaza, and I think kill most of the inhabitants there. Ashkelon is due north of Gaza and just a kassams throw away.

This is just a few various observations I am bringing together, but they ominously point to the same thing, a major Palestinian ground offensive may take place just next week.


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Hard to guess these things, but I thought I would mention them.
1 posted on 07/17/2007 10:57:00 PM PDT by American in Israel
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To: American in Israel

Oh My...sounds very serious...prayers for all in Israel.


2 posted on 07/17/2007 11:03:40 PM PDT by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand;but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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To: Salem

ping


3 posted on 07/17/2007 11:10:02 PM PDT by rdl6989
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To: American in Israel; jveritas; ALOHA RONNIE; ExTexasRedhead; Quix; DarthVader; ync1994

heads up!!!


4 posted on 07/17/2007 11:18:53 PM PDT by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand;but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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To: American in Israel

Interesting post. This is part of what freeping is all about.
I hope you can stop back with updates.

Bookmarked.


5 posted on 07/17/2007 11:18:55 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: American in Israel

Many years ago I spent a summer in Israel. I remember that when it came to security concerns my Israeli friends said, “You don’t worry until WE worry.” The fact that you and your Israeli friends are worried, worries me. I love Israel and will keep it, and you, in my prayers.


6 posted on 07/17/2007 11:21:57 PM PDT by ChocChipCookie (Homeschool like your kids' lives depend on it.)
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To: sofaman
I hope the Sofettes are home this summer, not in the Holy Land.

-llev

7 posted on 07/17/2007 11:28:00 PM PDT by llevrok (I voted for George Bush - not Jorge Arbusto.)
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To: sofaman

Ping


8 posted on 07/17/2007 11:28:28 PM PDT by SoCalPol (Duncan Hunter '08 Tough on WOT & Illegals)
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To: American in Israel

Interesting to be sure, but I have to think the Arabs realize they can’t force a decision militarily. They have a much greater chance of getting what they want through political and PR means.

I think Syria still hasn’t got most of it’s new equipment from Russia, and what they’re getting is mostly defensive anyways. That mentions nothing of the training they’d need. They haven’t conducted any big exercises recently, have they? Furthermore, didn’t Olmert express willingness to negotiate for the Golan Heights recently? The Syrians are pretty vulnerable right now and I don’t expect them to do anything.

Jordan probably has the best Arab military, but, apart from their treaty with Israel, they’ve shown diminishing effectiveness in their fights with Israel (they were best in ‘48 and got increasingly worse). I can’t see them trying anything.

Egypt has the best large Arab military, but they aren’t going to do anything and endanger ties with the U.S.

The only nation I can see at all attacking Israel is Syria, and they obviously are in no shape to do so.

Hamas and Fatah might try something, but they have no ability whatsoever to project what little power they have. Hezbollah isn’t going to go on some offensive either.

Sounds like the Palis’ wish of no Israelis is just more wishful thinking on their part, like their ridiculous “right of return” idea. Although it is interesting that they do seem to be anticipating something.


9 posted on 07/17/2007 11:30:23 PM PDT by Constantine XI Palaeologus ("Vicisti, Galilaee")
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To: American in Israel

Studying Revelation right now in Bible study. I can see the writing on the wall. There IS something brewing. Especially with the Russian/Iran/Syria connection. Prayers for all in Isreal. Find true peace and safety in Christ.


10 posted on 07/17/2007 11:33:27 PM PDT by Anti-Hillary (Anyone but Hitlery)
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To: American in Israel
>"The 9th of Av is on July 23rd, which is the exact day both Temples in Jerusalem were destroyed hundreds of years apart..."

There is no temple there at present, just and abomination.

11 posted on 07/17/2007 11:37:46 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist (The liberty we prize is not America’s gift to the world, it is God’s gift to humanity.”GWB-03)
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To: American in Israel

Placemark, and prayers for Israel!


12 posted on 07/17/2007 11:39:59 PM PDT by Theresawithanh (With an F, and an R, and an E, and a D, and an F-R-E-D...FRED!!!!!!!!)
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To: American in Israel
You might want to get in touch with Yoni the Blogger. He's retired from IDF specops and, from a layman's standpoint, seems well connected where Israeli security is concerned. He also goes on Hugh Hewitt's show often when things heat up in the region.
13 posted on 07/17/2007 11:42:24 PM PDT by Tree of Liberty (Islam delenda est)
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To: American in Israel
Do these Arabs know something is about to happen that we do not know is coming?

"Three may share a secret if two are dead." - Benjamin Franklin

14 posted on 07/17/2007 11:42:54 PM PDT by wideminded
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To: Anti-Hillary

Just remember, no one knows the day or the hour...


15 posted on 07/17/2007 11:43:50 PM PDT by Tree of Liberty (Islam delenda est)
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To: American in Israel

Good G-2 from the ground there. Thanks. Take care.


16 posted on 07/17/2007 11:45:45 PM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (Open Borders and Shamnesty!/Appeasement of North Korea!/No Win Wars!--I've HAD IT WITH PRES. BUSH!!)
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To: American in Israel

I pray every day for the peace of Jerusalem...

If I forget thee, O Jerusalem, let my right hand forget her cunning, If I do not remember thee, let my tongue cleave to the roof of my mouth, if I do not prefer Jerusalem above my chief joy... Psalm 137:5,6

Yesterday President Bush said things about Israel that deeply concerned me...

I pray America will never cease to be a friend to Israel...


17 posted on 07/17/2007 11:49:13 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: American in Israel
a major Palestinian ground offensive

How do you carry out a ground offensive (let alone a successful one) with no tanks and no air force?

18 posted on 07/17/2007 11:49:54 PM PDT by vbmoneyspender
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To: American in Israel

Although I appreciate your observations on the issue, I can’t help but be somewhat of a skeptic on the matter.

The 9th of Av is like a week away and I seriously doubt the Syrians (or the Iranians for that matter) have their forces ready to attack Israel on such a short notice. There is also no indication of massive Syrian troop deployment on the Israeli-Syrian border (at least as far I know). Israel’s satellites would have easily picked something like this up.

Regarding that cryptic warning from the “palestinians” about how Israel loses every war it fights in the 9th of Av, I cannot help but laugh on the matter. Yes, the 1st and the 2nd Jewish temples fell on the 9th of Av, but one can hardly call those “engagements” between the Jews and the Babylonians (first temple) and the Jews and the Romans (second temple) wars. Nebuchadnezzar invaded Jerusalem and destroyed the first temple in 586 BCE. There was no war of any kind, the Jews did not rebel against the Babylonians in any way. The second temple’s destruction which was destroyed by the Romans, albeit for different reasons was instigated by a revolt (several revolts, actually), but no war. Technically, Israel has never lost any war in the 9th of Av because they never fought a war on the 9th of Av (unless you see a revolt as a form of war). Although the entire issue of the 9th of Av is irrelevant had G_d not chosen that particular day to punish the Jews for their hate towards each other. The Babylonians and the Romans were nothing more than pawns in G_d’s original plan to punish the Jews by destroying both their temples and sending them to a 2,000 year diaspora.

Hey, if the Arabs wanna rely on something that happened over 2,000 years ago, I say let ‘em. They’ll be in for a rude awakening.

Lastly, even if the Iranians and the Syrians were planning something this soon, the stupid “palestinians” will be the last to know anything about it.

You also referred to a “major palestinian ground offensive”. What is that? The “palestinians” have no army, no tanks, no artillery, no trained conscripts. They lack any and all neccessary measures to launch any ground offensive, let alone a major one.

Although I understand your concern, I don’t believe a war will erupt in the next few weeks, although the Sep/Oct date you mentioned does sound somewhat plausible. Something serious is surely brewing down there, but I simply don’t think it will go down in the next few weeks.

Generally, I wouldn’t worry myself about Israel because I know they can handle themselves fairly well and they have G_d on their side. But with that sniveling snake Olmert at the helm, a lot of things can go wrong pretty fast down there.

G_d bless Israel and America.


19 posted on 07/17/2007 11:50:39 PM PDT by kress
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To: American in Israel
My only observation is that israel had a 200 nuclear warhead arsenal in 1998 and is believed to have been adding 25 to 35 more every year since. If it takes using them, Olmert will be dead and they will be used.

From the King James:

Isaiah 17:1 The burden of Damascus. Behold, Damascus is taken away from being a city, and it shall be a ruinous heap.

20 posted on 07/17/2007 11:54:13 PM PDT by MrEdd (L. Ron Gore creator of "Fry-n-tology" the global warming religion.)
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To: American in Israel

“smoke” as in radioactive fallout? Normally smoke wouldn’t kill someone except in a closed place. Chemical weapons? Not a good thing to ponder.


21 posted on 07/17/2007 11:57:28 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Indianhead Division: Second To None!)
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To: Constantine XI Palaeologus

Syria touches Israel and the US invades it from the east while pummeling it from the air. A joint Israeli-US-British ground attack on Damascus ends the war within a week, and Bashr Assad faces trial one year later.


22 posted on 07/17/2007 11:57:50 PM PDT by Thunder90
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To: Thunder90

ping


23 posted on 07/18/2007 12:00:29 AM PDT by PinkDolphin (J'essaierai de faire mieux la prochaine fois.)
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To: Tree of Liberty
You are very right. However, we are to be as a watchman on the wall. LOOKING and waiting. What would have been the purpose of God giving us a detailed description of the signs if not to know and understand them. If more Jews had studied and understood the prophecies of the Old Testament, more of them would have recognized Jesus as the Messiah.

Jesus himself said that we would know the season of His return. I am not by any means a date setter, but some day it WILL happen. And I know one thing for SURE; we are closer today then we were yesterday!

This in no way is directed at you. I don’t know your thoughts, nor pretend to. That being said, in my opinion, MANY Christians quote, “No one knows the hour or the day...” because rather then study the Word and face possibly some conviction, fear, or whatever, when they read about the coming wrath of God, that verse comforts them and lets them move on and get back to the next sitcom or reality show. I think it is a cop out by so many. I have found that more then anything, studying prophecy brings me into a right relationship with the Lord, and spurs me on to share the gospel with others, far and above “date setting”.

24 posted on 07/18/2007 12:08:52 AM PDT by Anti-Hillary (Anyone but Hitlery)
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To: American in Israel

BTTT.


25 posted on 07/18/2007 12:09:59 AM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the occupation media.)
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To: Thunder90

I certainly don’t see why. The Izzies are more than capable of taking care the Syrians. I do think, however, that our Air Force and Naval aviators would relish the opportunity for target practice.

We and the Brits don’t have enough manpower in theater to invade Syria and defend Iraq from opportunistic Iranians and Sunni militants.

The Syrians attack Israel, let the Israelis take care of it, no need for us to get involved. Now I guess we do owe the Syrians for letting so many foreign jihadis get in Iraq, but we’d be better served by letting the Israelis invade Syria. We can be the anvil if necessary.

Course, I still don’t think any state is going to attempt anything. At most, Hezbollah might try something. Alternatively, one of the various Pali groups might step up suicide bombings and rocket attacks prompting the Izzies to move into the West Bank and Gaza. Anticipation of Israel movements might be a reason for the harvest and fallow fields.


26 posted on 07/18/2007 12:14:49 AM PDT by Constantine XI Palaeologus ("Vicisti, Galilaee")
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To: kress
"G_d bless Israel and America."

I think it looks better this way without the "_" :-)

GOD BLESS
America and Israel!!!

27 posted on 07/18/2007 12:20:57 AM PDT by The Chief
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To: Constantine XI Palaeologus

1. There were no people visible working the in the fields. 2. There were no children along the side of the road.
3. There were no tractors or other farm vehicles anywhere to be seen.
4. All of the vegetables had been completely harvested and the fields were 100% empty.

The harvest is over. Why would anybody be in an empty field?
Sounds like tinfoil alert to me...


28 posted on 07/18/2007 12:22:34 AM PDT by chadwimc (Proud to be an infidel ! Allah fubar !!!)
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To: American in Israel

PING!


29 posted on 07/18/2007 12:29:40 AM PDT by angelsonmyside
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To: Constantine XI Palaeologus
The Izzies are more than capable of taking care the Syrians.

IIRC, Damascus is in artillery range of the Golan Heights. Should make for much fun.

30 posted on 07/18/2007 12:30:57 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows ("You can't strengthen a zero, it will always equal zero." --Avigdor Lieberman)
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To: Anti-Hillary; Tree of Liberty

Not to mention, Romans 11 seems to suggest that Israel, the state, not the body of believers, will come to know Christ. As of right now, they are mostly atheist. Also, who says that Gog and Magog is Russia or Iran or Syria or any other country?


31 posted on 07/18/2007 12:32:38 AM PDT by Constantine XI Palaeologus ("Vicisti, Galilaee")
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To: chadwimc

I’m not too familiar with agriculture, but I do believe it is uncommon to just leave fields fallow in this time of year.

“7. The vegetable stands that are normally filled to the brim from the harvest were completely vacant.
8. This is the peak season for growing vegetables in the Jordan Valley, yet everything had been harvested and nothing was growing waiting to be harvested or picked.”

As you can see from my posts above, I fully agree that Israel probably has nothing to be worried about, but I do find it fun discussing things of this nature.


32 posted on 07/18/2007 12:36:46 AM PDT by Constantine XI Palaeologus ("Vicisti, Galilaee")
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To: Anti-Hillary

http://www.tektonics.org/esch/eschatology.html


33 posted on 07/18/2007 12:43:58 AM PDT by Matchett-PI (The democRAT party is a criminal enterprise.)
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To: Constantine XI Palaeologus; kress
Iran will let loose a nuke they bought from Pakistan on Israel?
The 'rumors' are just leaks and the only explanation the uninformed Palestinians can comprehend?

Syrian or Palestinian military readiness is not a factor with this scenario.

34 posted on 07/18/2007 12:45:48 AM PDT by blam (Secure the border and enforce the law)
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To: Slings and Arrows

Yup, the advantage technologically, geographically, and qualitatively all lies with the Israelis. Those heights are definitely key terrain.

Also, during the 80s, the Israelis well near marched on Damascus if my memory serves me. The Syrians couldn’t really effectively stop them then, so how would they stop them now?


35 posted on 07/18/2007 12:46:47 AM PDT by Constantine XI Palaeologus ("Vicisti, Galilaee")
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To: blam

Interesting thought.

However, with us in theater just waiting for a real big excuse to whack the Iranians and the Israelis’ Dolphins probably somewhere in the vicinity of Iran (or capable of being so if they aren’t) not to mention their air force and big nuclear arsenal, the Iranians would have to be suicidal to try something like that (course, one can make the argument that they in fact are suicidal).

If they do, we’ll see how well the Arrow system works. On the other hand I wonder if the Standard missiles on our warships would be able to hit any Iranian ICBMs.


36 posted on 07/18/2007 12:55:52 AM PDT by Constantine XI Palaeologus ("Vicisti, Galilaee")
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To: Constantine XI Palaeologus

The nuke is on the ground in Israel already...no need for missiles?


37 posted on 07/18/2007 1:02:55 AM PDT by blam (Secure the border and enforce the law)
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To: Anti-Hillary

I’m really impressed with your self-righteousness. Feels good doesn’t it?


38 posted on 07/18/2007 1:09:57 AM PDT by jwh_Denver (In the Rise and Fall of United States I hope the Fall part is more than one chapter.)
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To: Matchett-PI

I do not subscribe to preterism, but know some that do. But bottom line, all that really matters is faith in Christ. I hope we can agree on that... :)


39 posted on 07/18/2007 1:27:17 AM PDT by Anti-Hillary (Anyone but Hitlery)
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To: jwh_Denver
Not sure how you got that from what I said. You certainly may disagree with my beliefs. My only point, was to say that many believers throw that verse around (and I am talking about those that believe in “End Times” theology) because eschatology makes them uncomfortable for many reasons. There is a lot of apathy within the body regarding it. If you will notice I DID NOT disparage the other FReeper.

Sorry if you were offended. Truly.

40 posted on 07/18/2007 1:35:44 AM PDT by Anti-Hillary (Anyone but Hitlery)
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Well, Nothing that the Muslims would do would surprise me a bit... (other than a reformation to become an ACTUAL 'Religion of peace'... THAT would surprise the heck out of me.)
So, I'm not ready to completely dismiss any of this report like some of you.

So, I'll just say, God bless Israel, the Israelis (and the rest of us fairly civilized people while he is at it.)

41 posted on 07/18/2007 1:38:49 AM PDT by LegendHasIt
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To: blam

How in the world are they going to smuggler a Pakistani nuke into Israel? A Pakistani nuke wouldn’t be some small suitcase-type affair (because they just aren’t at the level required for that type of miniaturization) and the Israeli border isn’t the Southern U.S. border.


42 posted on 07/18/2007 1:39:52 AM PDT by Constantine XI Palaeologus ("Vicisti, Galilaee")
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To: Tennessee Nana
With the moral depravity that is rampant in this country, our support for Israel is the only thing keeping God from reducing us to smoldering ruins.

Everyone better pray that America never ceases to be a friend to Israel.

43 posted on 07/18/2007 1:52:04 AM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

I’d say it’s God’s grace that has spared the U.S. (and us all) from our just desserts, not financial support for some state.


44 posted on 07/18/2007 2:17:13 AM PDT by Constantine XI Palaeologus ("Vicisti, Galilaee")
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To: wideminded; American in Israel
Do these Arabs know something is about to happen that we do not know is coming? "Three may share a secret if two are dead." - Benjamin Franklin

It's what old Ben said that makes me skeptical... if your Arab friends "know something", then it's 150% certainty that the Mossad know.

45 posted on 07/18/2007 2:27:07 AM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: American in Israel

Israel: Respond. Or, don’t Respond.


46 posted on 07/18/2007 2:33:14 AM PDT by FlyVet
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To: American in Israel
Smart Palis are in Paris, London, NYC, Washington and Houston making money or scheming to get Arafat's. Dumb Palis are in Ramallah, etc. eating dirt and believing all sorts of prophetic crap about their "return".

A "return" to Allah is the only thing in their future, if they stick their heads up.

47 posted on 07/18/2007 2:38:48 AM PDT by leadhead (Democracy can withstand anything but democrats)
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To: American in Israel
I checked Debka, they got nothing.
48 posted on 07/18/2007 2:50:12 AM PDT by Pro-Bush (hater)
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To: FlyVet

Israel: Preempt or respond


49 posted on 07/18/2007 2:58:10 AM PDT by steveyp
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To: American in Israel

Thanks for the heads up AiL.


50 posted on 07/18/2007 3:11:03 AM PDT by cmsgop ( "cmsgop" a Mark Goodson / Bill Todman Production)
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