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Final Period
NY Times ^ | July 17, 2007 | KAREN HOUPPERT

Posted on 07/18/2007 1:35:10 AM PDT by neverdem

IN May the Food and Drug Administration approved a new birth control pill, Lybrel. It is as effective at preventing pregnancy as the other pills already out there (about 98 percent) but boasts one advantage: Women who take it will never get their periods.

Lybrel is landing on pharmacy shelves this month. And now war has been declared on menstruation.

Already the first few volleys in this battle have been exchanged. Gird yourselves, women, for a barrage of advertising and research highlighting the debilitating effects of periods and the joys of menstrual suppression.

After all, periods and their mood swings are bad for family values (who wants to have a stay-at-home mom when she’s so darn cranky?), bad for women’s health (women were never meant to menstruate so much; natural selection designed their bodies for back-to-back pregnancies and breast-feeding), bad for the fashion industry (how can beige be the new black if women won’t wear it all month?) and bad for the economy (everybody knows women take to their beds at the merest whisper of “cramps,” fueling the nation’s employee-absentee rate). Western civilization, it seems, hinges on our ability to wrangle our messy cycles to the ground and stomp ’em out once and for all.

Sound absurd?

In a presentation by Lybrel’s maker, Wyeth, to investors and analysts last October, Dr. Ginger D. Constantine, the company’s therapeutic director for women’s health, laid the groundwork. Citing company-backed studies, she reported that menstruating women feel less effective at work and take more sick days. Not only that, but they don’t exercise and they wear dark clothes more often, she said.

Suddenly, news articles are weighing the pros and cons of our monthly cycles. And while it’s great that the American news media are, for a moment, challenging the culture of concealment that...

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: birthcontrolpills; bravenewworld; drugs; lybrel; menstruation; women
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To: toomuchcoffee

I’m not a guy and I will tell you this.

For years I had horrible periods, flow like a river, high back pain, breakthrough bleeding, you name it.

Artifical hormones were not something I considered putting into my body. Look at this.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/07/09/health/main514513.shtml

Carefully consider what you are doing to yourself in the long term.


21 posted on 07/18/2007 7:32:30 AM PDT by netmilsmom (To attack one section of Christianity in this day and age, is to waste time.)
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To: netmilsmom

I have very unpleasant periods, but usually only one or two between babies ... because I tell my husband, “Being pregnant is better than THIS!”

It’s been almost 18 months since Vlad was born, and nothing’s been happening. It’s probably the running!


22 posted on 07/18/2007 8:28:47 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("A dependence on mass immigration is always a structural weakness and should be understood as such.")
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To: Tax-chick

Geez! Seems like only yesterday that he was born.

Did I tell you that my namesake was born in Cleveland?
Bailey Anastasia joined her three brothers on July 3rd.

(Aunt Sta says as she beams!)

Four hours of labor and two pushes.
Her mom was meant to breed.....


23 posted on 07/18/2007 9:18:46 AM PDT by netmilsmom (To attack one section of Christianity in this day and age, is to waste time.)
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To: netmilsmom

18 months on the 30th (and I’ll be 41 on Sunday :-).

Congratulations on the new niece!


24 posted on 07/18/2007 9:21:02 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("A dependence on mass immigration is always a structural weakness and should be understood as such.")
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To: neverdem
Women who take it will never get their periods.

Uh, I thought this was a bad thing healthwise.

25 posted on 07/18/2007 9:21:59 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: Tax-chick
Women who breastfeed intensively and experience regular pregnancies can go many years without a period.

Given your large family I will take your word for the latter ... but to be honest, I can't see how you can "experience regular pregnancies" without having a period. Are you suggesting that those regular pregnancies can be timed and planned to occur exactly on your first post-breastfeeding ovulation?

26 posted on 07/18/2007 9:26:40 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: neverdem
The more interesting question is this: A large percentage of these sorts of drugs gets eliminated in the urine and flushed down the toilet, and into the water supply.

What will be the long-term effect of this hormone on those who drink the processed water?

27 posted on 07/18/2007 9:30:34 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: r9etb

It’s not unusual for women who have a healthy reproductive system and regular marital relations to conceive on the first ovulation after childbirth. This can happen they’re breastfeeding and ovulate two years later, and within weeks of delivery, if they don’t breastfeed.


28 posted on 07/18/2007 10:02:20 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("A dependence on mass immigration is always a structural weakness and should be understood as such.")
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To: r9etb
What will be the long-term effect of this hormone on those who drink the processed water?


29 posted on 07/18/2007 10:04:38 AM PDT by Mike Bates (Irish Alzheimer's victim: I only remember the grudges.)
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To: wolfcreek
It's not good to mess with Mother Nature.

I think we already messed with Mother Nature when we instituted monogamy, and condemned sex outside of it. (By the way, if you think the earth and everything on it are only 6000 years old, please stop reading here.)

What was the 'natural' state of a human female before agriculture? After she had attained the age necessary to have menses (a number which has dropped significantly for centuries now, generally believed to be attributable to better nutrition) she would have either been pregnant or breastfeeding most of the time. Don't even factor menopause into this, because prehistoric women (and men) didn't often live that long. Of course, I'm operating on the assumption that women did not have a lot of choice when it came to a man wanting to initiate sexual activity.

Normal menstrual periods would have been quite rare, and probably a sign of relative infertility. Look at all of the ancient religious teachings that describe a woman as being 'unclean' during this time, and you can see that there was some sort of preexisting cultural basis for avoiding such a woman.

Limiting a human female to having sexual relations with only one man insured that she would have menstrual flows before relations began, and whenever he was unavailable to impregnate her. Menstrual periods are a fairly recent occurrence, in the history of humans, in my opinion. This drug just restores the situation that existed prior to civilization's establishment of rules for female sexual activity.

30 posted on 07/18/2007 10:51:53 AM PDT by hunter112 (Change will happen when very good men are forced to do very bad things.)
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To: toomuchcoffee
Another guy chimes in. Got a clue why women have periods, besides to make their lives as miserable as possible for a few days a month? Women do not need to bleed to be happy and healthy.

What scientific fact do you base that statement on? I have to ask, because I find it unlikely that the most incredibly advanced organism in the known universe would intentionally bleed once a month for no good reason. Whether by design or evolution, it's an extraordinary waste and process must yield some major advantages in the maintenance of health throughout the time when a woman is viable and capable of reproducing. I don't believe that a pharmaceutical company is asking the deeper questions here beyond an immediate solution.

Also, did you read the part where I stated: "From the perspective of healing, I welcome reasonable exploration of this as a resolution." I don't believe anyone should suffer needlessly, and I do know many women who complain severely about their "monthly" problem. I'd voice the same concerns to them.

Look, if you want to take what amounts to a "beta" test drug available on a national basis, be my guest. As with any "new drug", I'd urge caution and careful observation.

We are finding that as time passes, these "miracle drug based solutions" offer as many concerns as they do benefits.

I'm simply offering a voice of reason.

And your name is an oxymoron. There can never be "Too much coffee." As a home roaster, there can never be enough.

If you want men to sit back and let women pop some new drugs because they offer an easy solution, I'm sure there's plenty of them over at DUh.

But as long as your on this board, you're going to find people who are willing to question these things.

So yeah, another guy chimes in. Thank God...

31 posted on 07/18/2007 11:39:26 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: toomuchcoffee

So are you saying women should get hysterectomies at the moment they are done having children? That doesn’t make sense. Why not castrate men who want no more kids while you’re at it?


32 posted on 07/18/2007 12:06:47 PM PDT by RockinRight (FRedOn. Apply Directly To The White House!)
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To: toomuchcoffee

“Well, I’m hoping you’re being humorous here.”

Please explain.


33 posted on 07/18/2007 1:12:52 PM PDT by wolfcreek (2 bad Tyranny, Treachery and Treason never take a vacation...)
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To: toomuchcoffee

“Well, I’m hoping you’re being humorous here.”

Please explain.


34 posted on 07/18/2007 1:19:18 PM PDT by wolfcreek (2 bad Tyranny, Treachery and Treason never take a vacation...)
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35 posted on 07/18/2007 8:09:27 PM PDT by neverdem (Call talk radio. We need a Constitutional Amendment for Congressional term limits. Let's Roll!)
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To: liberty or death
Family and friends who were on the pill from say the time they were 16 or so and then tried to have children in their early 20’s to mid 30’s lost many to miscarriage before success, or had no success at all.

There was a study out in the past few years which claimed the birth control pill over time trained the body like a vaccine to become immune to pregnancy. This probably accounts for the large increase in fertility treatments for women, especially in young women.

36 posted on 07/18/2007 8:28:08 PM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah (Catholic4Mitt)
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To: Gorzaloon
First, Depo-Provera often did the same thing and started being used nearly thirty years ago. It has fallen into disfavor, partly because of calcium losses.

This is the first thing that came to my mind about this new drug - osteoporosis.

37 posted on 07/18/2007 8:32:22 PM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah (Catholic4Mitt)
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To: wolfcreek

You are exactly right.


38 posted on 07/18/2007 8:34:07 PM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah (Catholic4Mitt)
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To: neverdem

http://www.noroomforcontraception.com/


39 posted on 07/18/2007 8:37:31 PM PDT by balch3
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To: neverdem

I thought this was going to be an article on menopause.


40 posted on 07/18/2007 8:42:16 PM PDT by peggybac (Tolerance is the virtue of believing in nothing)
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