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The standard against which all other monsters are measured ...(George W. Bush is Adolf Hitler ??)
Catoosa County News ^ | July 25, 2007 | Jeff O'Bryant

Posted on 07/27/2007 5:53:58 AM PDT by IrishMike

Rep. Keith Ellison, the first Muslim elected to the House of Representatives, recently said that 9/11 is almost like “the Reichstag fire. After the Reichstag was burned, they blamed the communists for it, and it put the leader of that country in a position where he could basically have authority to do whatever he wanted.”

The country Ellison refers to is Germany under the Nazis, and the leader — and whom he is clearly comparing to George W. Bush — is, of course, Adolf Hitler. His statement is a result of either one of two things: mind-boggling historical ignorance or a loathing for Bush beggaring description. I think it is both.

Let us review. The Holocaust resulted in the death of more than 6 million Jews and this “Final Solution” surpasses in wonton cruelty and sheer scope all other horrors of human history. Indeed, the activities of men made infamous by their ruthlessness or barbarity — such as Osama bin Laden, Pol Pot, Saddam Hussein, Attila the Hun, Joseph Stalin, Genghis Kahn and Vlad the Impaler — shrink, if not into near triviality, at least into a less horrific rank when one considers that slaughter in Nazi Germany became a science. This premeditated, highly-organized, and well-oiled death machine propels the ghastly nightmare of Nazi Germany into a terrifying class by itself.

This is not to lessen the horrors suffered by Iraqis under Saddam, to dismiss the greater number of deaths under Stalin, or to make light of the Sept. 11 attacks. Rather, it is to explain that Hitler alone deserves the “distinction” of being the standard against which all other monsters are measured.

It is therefore not only inappropriate but utterly preposterous to compare Bush to Hitler. But this is how things are in America today. Bush is likened to the German leader while the true monsters we are fighting that actually warrant measurement against Hitler — Osama bin Laden and his followers — are instead called insurgents, freedom fighters or jihadists. Many of us don’t even call them terrorists any more!

When I think of liberals I certainly do not think of Hitler. Even considering the fact that abortion is the closest thing I can think of to an American holocaust (where babies are not considered fully human just as the Nazis did not believe Jews were fully human), I still will not classify them as Hitler-like. I simply do not frame the Left in that way or that language.


TOPICS: Extended News; Government; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 911; bush; congress; democrats; elections; govwatch; iraq; islam; islamiclawmaker; liberals; muslims; traitor; treason; unamerican; wot

1 posted on 07/27/2007 5:54:02 AM PDT by IrishMike
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To: IrishMike

I remember nearly a decade ago when you criticized the Government and or the President, you were labeled an “Anti-Government Extremist”. Now your a Patriot exercising your Constitutional duty to decent. My what a difference 10 years makes.


2 posted on 07/27/2007 6:00:03 AM PDT by Falcon4.0
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To: Falcon4.0

One thing I’ve noticed.

As time has passed, And the Democrats failure to “get” President Bush has become more pronounced, the leftist rhetoric is getting harsher and harsher.

People are GOING TO JAIL for some of this hate-filled ranting!

Purdue Student Convicted of Threatening to Kill Bush and Cheney
http://chronicle.com/news/article/2591/purdue-student-convicted-of-threatening-to-kill-bush-and-cheney


3 posted on 07/27/2007 6:08:16 AM PDT by tcrlaf (VOTE Democrat! You'll look GREAT in Burqa!)
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To: IrishMike
When I think of liberals I certainly do not think of Hitler.

But I do think of Stalin, who was a more prolific mass murderer (and arguably more evil) than Hitler.

4 posted on 07/27/2007 6:10:56 AM PDT by bassmaner (Hey commies: I am a white male, and I am guilty of NOTHING! Sell your 'white guilt' elsewhere.)
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To: Falcon4.0
I remember nearly a decade ago when you criticized the Government and or the President, you were labeled an “Anti-Government Extremist”. Now your a Patriot exercising your Constitutional duty to decent. My what a difference 10 years makes.

See my #4 - crushing of dissent was one of Uncle Joe's trademarks.

5 posted on 07/27/2007 6:12:37 AM PDT by bassmaner (Hey commies: I am a white male, and I am guilty of NOTHING! Sell your 'white guilt' elsewhere.)
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To: IrishMike
“Final Solution” surpasses in wonton cruelty and sheer scope all other horrors of human history

Incorrect. There have been at least two communist dictators who have murdered far more than 6 million, i.e. Mao and Stalin. Stalin murdered AT LEAST 20 million and Mao murdered untold tens of millions.

6 posted on 07/27/2007 6:14:45 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: IrishMike

I’ve found the Hitler comparisions very helpful. The moment I hear anyone make that comparision to Bush I know I’m dealing with a poorly educated, emotionally unstable, shallow, hate filled leftwingnut.

Gives me the opportunity to either ‘play’ with them, or to walk away.

De[pends on my mood at the moment...(chuckle)


7 posted on 07/27/2007 6:17:36 AM PDT by Badeye (You know its a kook site when they ban the word 'kook')
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To: IrishMike
So, By the same logic then the demorats should be called the Benedict Arnold party!
8 posted on 07/27/2007 6:17:40 AM PDT by mountainlyons (Hard core conservative)
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To: IrishMike
ALL dims are allies of bin laden and worshipers of satan... no exceptions... they are pure evil and motivated by a hate of GOD and Country!

LLS

9 posted on 07/27/2007 6:26:01 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Support America, Kill terrorists, Destroy dims!)
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To: LibLieSlayer

Boy, THAT sure is a blanket statement. How do you expect anyone to take you seriously when you make sure sweeping statements?

I guess your name says it best. LIE is your middle name.


10 posted on 07/27/2007 6:32:02 AM PDT by Singermom
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To: bassmaner

Why does Mao get a pass? Estimates of his genocide surpass Stalin and Hitler.


11 posted on 07/27/2007 6:42:18 AM PDT by Inwoodian
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To: Badeye

And in this case we are talking about Muslim Democratic Congressman Rep. Keith Ellison


12 posted on 07/27/2007 6:42:45 AM PDT by IrishMike ( A nation can survive its fools, but cannot survive treason from within.)
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To: IrishMike
Another poster had it right in another thread (And now it is my tag):

I hate Democrats almost as much as they hate America
13 posted on 07/27/2007 6:42:49 AM PDT by steel_resolve (I hate Democrats almost as much as they hate America)
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To: mountainlyons

By the same logic then the demorats should be called the Benedict Arnold party!

or the party of Mohammad


14 posted on 07/27/2007 6:43:48 AM PDT by IrishMike ( A nation can survive its fools, but cannot survive treason from within.)
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To: Falcon4.0
My what a difference 10 years makes.

It's not "10 years" that makes the difference.

It's the letter after the president's name.

15 posted on 07/27/2007 6:46:40 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: LibLieSlayer
ALL dims are allies of bin laden and worshipers of satan... no exceptions... they are pure evil and motivated by a hate of GOD and Country!

That's not true. How can you say such a thing?

16 posted on 07/27/2007 6:53:58 AM PDT by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Final Solution” surpasses in wonton cruelty...

...wonton cruelty??? Are we talking about Soup Nazis here?


17 posted on 07/27/2007 7:09:12 AM PDT by IrishBrigade
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To: processing please hold

I think that was a, “I’ll see your Hitler and raise you a “satan-worshipper” and and a “God-hater”.


18 posted on 07/27/2007 7:10:57 AM PDT by L98Fiero (A fool who'll waste his life, God rest his guts.)
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To: IrishMike

I have an associate who thinks the Bush administration is the worst regime since Hilter. He’s an atheist by the way, and I feel the hostility is based on his hatred of Christians.


19 posted on 07/27/2007 7:14:15 AM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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To: All

Ellison is little more than a pimple on Mohammed’s faggy butt, waiting to be popped by the devil Allah. He is a fine representative of the Democratic Party.


20 posted on 07/27/2007 7:16:28 AM PDT by pallis
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To: Inwoodian
Why does Mao get a pass? Good question. According to Guiness, ““The greatest massacre ever imputed by the government of one sovereign against another is the 26.3 million Chinese killed during the regime of Mao Zedong between 1949 and May 1965. The Walker Report published by the U.S. Senate Committee of the Judiciary in July 1971 placed...the total death toll in China since 1949 between 32.25 and 61.7 million.”

Alexander Solzhenitsyn estimated the death count caused by Lenin, Stalin and Khrushchev combined to be 66 million Russian citizens. Again, according to Guiness, Pol Pot wins the prize for engineering the worst per capita genocide. In Cambodia under the Khmer Rouge: “More than one third of the eight million Khmers were killed between April 17, 1975 and January 1979.” It seems to me that the question really should be, “Why do Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot get a pass?” because the one most frequently referenced by the Left as the epitome of evil is Hitler, not any of them. The answer of course is that the Left rarely criticize or even acknowledge the death toll caused by their fellow travelers.

21 posted on 07/27/2007 7:18:40 AM PDT by Nevadan (nevadan)
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To: IrishMike
Rep. Keith Ellison, the first Muslim elected to the House of Representatives. .

There's the problem right there. What kind of idiotic voters elected this guy?

22 posted on 07/27/2007 7:28:12 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: SoCal Pubbie
The Drats would prefer people consider being a democrat a religion unto itself.
Conservatives are loathed by the DRats and MSM, because of the Christian factor. It’s not the only factor but it is a very prominent factor.
23 posted on 07/27/2007 8:03:41 AM PDT by IrishMike ( A nation can survive its fools, but cannot survive treason from within.)
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To: IrishMike
I simply do not frame the Left in that way or that language.

He [the author] will, once the left has unrestrained power. The checks and balances designed 250 years ago are the only thing limiting his rhetoric today--the left doesn't seem too Hitler-like because it is not allowed to give into it's worst urges. But, once the left has unrestrained power, he won't be able to say it either. One if the left's darkest urges is to kill or imprison anyone who disagrees with them in public or even those who have secret, "incorrect" thoughts (the genesis of the term "politically incorrect).

So he might as well call them Nazi's now, while he can.

My other quibble with the article is its rating of Hitler vs the other secular humanist monsters of the 20th century.

Granted, the Nazi's were especially creepy in their quiet efficiency. But Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot were net-net more effective as mass murderers than Hitler (killed more or a much higher percentage of the target group). They just had better PR machines than did the Nazis (Lincoln Jeffers, Alger Hiss, Harry Hopkins, Henry Wallace, Noam Chomsky and much of the western press). These co-criminals actively excused or ignored their crimes.

24 posted on 07/27/2007 8:14:19 AM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: IrishMike

And in this case we are talking about Muslim Democratic Congressman Rep. Keith Ellison

I know.


25 posted on 07/27/2007 8:17:24 AM PDT by Badeye (You know its a kook site when they ban the word 'kook')
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To: Inwoodian
Good point ... Mao should not get a pass for his savagery.

Unfortunately, we'll probably never know the full extent of Mao's crimes, while the excesses of the Stalin-era Soviet Union are well-documented by Solzhenitsyn and others. I guess the ChiComs were much more successful in silencing their critics.

26 posted on 07/27/2007 8:27:46 AM PDT by bassmaner (Hey commies: I am a white male, and I am guilty of NOTHING! Sell your 'white guilt' elsewhere.)
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To: Nevadan
The answer of course is that the Left rarely criticize or even acknowledge the death toll caused by their fellow travelers.

Codified by their maxim 'no enemies on the Left'.

27 posted on 07/27/2007 8:33:23 AM PDT by bassmaner (Hey commies: I am a white male, and I am guilty of NOTHING! Sell your 'white guilt' elsewhere.)
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To: Falcon4.0

It isn’t 10 years. It is the party that the President belongs to that makes the difference. “Soon” it will be criminal to be a Republican or even a conservative.

RFK Junior has labelled “global warming deniers” traitors to America. They want gulags for dissenters.


28 posted on 07/27/2007 9:39:33 AM PDT by weegee (NO THIRD TERM. America does not need another unconstitutional Clinton co-presidency.)
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To: Singermom

Call me a liar? If I were not a gentleman I would tell you exactly what I think of you. Go to the DU! It fits your liberal mindset.

LLS


29 posted on 07/27/2007 11:17:47 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Support America, Kill terrorists, Destroy dims!)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

“Final Solution” surpasses in wonton cruelty and sheer scope all other horrors of human history”

Further to your point, there was the experimentation done on Chinese prisoners by the Japanese unit 741. That unit made Joseph Mengele’s experiments look humane by comparison.


30 posted on 07/27/2007 11:20:17 AM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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To: IrishMike

Wonton? Isn’t that a soup?


31 posted on 07/27/2007 11:26:07 AM PDT by Dr.Deth
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To: processing please hold
List a name of an elected dim in DC that backs the War on Terror... is not demanding surrender and withdrawal... has not tried to block much needed security legislation, and is not for Abortion on Demand (the PARTY of BABY KILLERS)! Now you tell me how it is that you do not see the truth!!!

LLS

32 posted on 07/27/2007 11:27:06 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Support America, Kill terrorists, Destroy dims!)
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To: LibLieSlayer

YOU are certainly NO gentleman!!!!!


33 posted on 08/01/2007 7:22:10 PM PDT by Singermom
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To: Singermom
Singermom said:

“YOU are certainly NO gentleman!!!!!”

Did it take an entire week to come up with that pithy comment?

LLS

34 posted on 08/02/2007 4:09:13 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Support America, Kill terrorists, Destroy dims!)
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