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Society Of Vertebrate Paleontology Speaks Out On Creation Museum
ScienceDaily ^ | July 30, 2007

Posted on 07/29/2007 2:13:08 PM PDT by EveningStar

Professional paleontologists from around the world are concerned about the misrepresentation of science at the newly opened Creation Museum in Petersburg, Kentucky. The Creation Museum has been marketed to the public as a “reasoned, logical defence” for young-earth creationism by Ken Ham, the President and CEO of Answers in Genesis, which runs the Creation Museum.

The Society of Vertebrate Paleontology, a world-wide scientific and educational organization concerned with vertebrate paleontology, contends that the museum presents visitors with a view of earth history that has been scientifically disproven for over a century...

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Philosophy; US: Kentucky
KEYWORDS: creationism; creationmuseum; crevolist; evolution; fsmdidit; museum; paleontology
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To: Gumlegs

Lots of strawman arguments on this thread.


21 posted on 07/29/2007 3:37:18 PM PDT by EveningStar
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To: Gumlegs; brigadoon

ok stop trying to censor each other and just shut up.

:)


22 posted on 07/29/2007 3:38:50 PM PDT by ari-freedom (An expert is a person who avoids the small errors while sweeping on to the grand fallacy.)
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To: EveningStar
First you have physical evidence, that must be interpreted. Then you have those willing to interpret.

You will always have more than one way to interpret the evidence and you will always have those with a presupposition the interpret.

Evolutionary scientist will always have a presupposition of long ages to make evolution work (and they will just make ages longer if and when they need it to fit their religious theory) and therefore make the theory fit the evidence.

Creation scientist will always have a presupposition that the Bible is true 100% and will interpret the evidence to fit the Bible and the Global Flood.
23 posted on 07/29/2007 4:01:04 PM PDT by Creationist ( Evolution is a faith based science with no proof. Scientist are the prophets, teachers the preacher)
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To: ClearCase_guy

You are so correct. However, the premises that the young earthers maintain are based on a lack of understanding of scripture. If they were to read Bereshit in Hebrew (Genesis), then they would understand how far off the mark they are. For a fact, the sun was not created until the 4th day, so there must have been a different recollection of time for the first 3 days...There is no doubt in my mind that G-d created the world in just the same manner in which he stated. However, the reconking of time might have been a little different than what the young earthers state. They would have you believe that the only translation that is corect is the KJV. However, there have been at least 87—which is correct? Read it in Hebrew, then you will understand.


24 posted on 07/29/2007 4:08:18 PM PDT by richardtavor (Pray for the peace of Jerusalem in the name of the G-d of Jacob)
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To: joesbucks

Creationists have absolutely no problem with snakes with limbs. See genesis. I’d like to see some pictures of their fossils. I’d also like to see at least one picture of one of those “abundant dinosaurs with feathers”, that are not fully functional birds. Don’t give me a bird with claws and teeth, but a reptile with feathers please! Thanks for your help-should be pretty easy with the “abundant” fossils.


25 posted on 07/29/2007 4:09:30 PM PDT by cotton
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To: EveningStar

Gotta love this. Starts out with “Professional...”. To me that means paid to provide their opinions and their opinions better agree with those of the scientific community.


26 posted on 07/29/2007 4:15:24 PM PDT by taxesareforever (Never forget Matt Maupin)
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To: dwhole2th
It represents a danger because it presents psuedoscience as real. Some people will actually believe what is presented as true science and that isn’t a good thing.

I can’t understand why fundamental Christians need to invent any sort of science. Why isn’t faith enough?

They can't combat the science, so they frequently resort to misrepresentation, quote mining, and outright falsehoods.

The transcript of the Dover trial, especially the testimony of some of the witnesses, showed this clearly. Behe, finally under oath, had to admit that ID was not science; he admitted that if the definition of science was changed enough to admit ID then astrology was also "science." Other witnesses were caught lying under oath! Its all in the transcript.

27 posted on 07/29/2007 4:26:36 PM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: Coyoteman

the Dover trial was nothing but judicial activism run amuck.


28 posted on 07/29/2007 4:28:08 PM PDT by balch3
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To: balch3
the Dover trial was nothing but judicial activism run amuck.

Translation: creationists lost.

29 posted on 07/29/2007 4:38:28 PM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: richardtavor
For a fact, the sun was not created until the 4th day

And the point is what ?

so there must have been a different recollection of time for the first 3 days ...

There was evening and morning ... a first day. ... There was evening and morning ... a second day. There was evening and morning ... a third day. There was evening and morning ... a forth day.

Different recollection of time?

Sounds like the same thing over and over again to me. I see nothing in the text to suggest that the first 3 days were special as far as time goes.

30 posted on 07/29/2007 5:40:57 PM PDT by dartuser ("If you torture the data long enough, it will confess, even to crimes it did not commit")
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To: ClearCase_guy

One doesn’t need faith all one has to do is examine the evidence.


31 posted on 07/29/2007 5:41:05 PM PDT by RFC_Gal (It's not just a boulder; It's a rock! A ro-o-ock. The pioneers used to ride these babies for miles!)
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To: balch3

Would this be the same trial in which one of the lead witnesses placed astrology and ID on the same level of validity?


32 posted on 07/29/2007 5:44:35 PM PDT by RFC_Gal (It's not just a boulder; It's a rock! A ro-o-ock. The pioneers used to ride these babies for miles!)
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To: dartuser

How long was a day?


33 posted on 07/29/2007 5:45:11 PM PDT by RFC_Gal (It's not just a boulder; It's a rock! A ro-o-ock. The pioneers used to ride these babies for miles!)
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To: RFC_Gal
Would this be the same trial in which one of the lead witnesses placed astrology and ID on the same level of validity?

Yes. It should be noted that the witness who did this was pro-ID.

34 posted on 07/29/2007 5:48:14 PM PDT by Gumlegs
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To: richardtavor
They would have you believe that the only translation that is corect is the KJV. However, there have been at least 87—which is correct? Read it in Hebrew, then you will understand.

You have grossly misstated our position. The issues is not about the KJV...I personally prefer studying the Hebrew text. The young earth position is in no way tied to the KJV.

BTW - a number of reputable Hebrew scholars hold to interpreting yom as 24 hour days. And that includes non-creationist scholars.

Bottom line - I have read the Hebrew, and I have consulted others who read Hewbrew...and we disagree with you.

35 posted on 07/29/2007 7:28:40 PM PDT by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America; the Islamization of Eurabia)
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To: joesbucks
Other than the place was busier than flies on stink and navigating the exhibits was thus a pain, I was overall impressed.

LOL. Ken Ham does have quite a money maker on his hands. I have no idea whether you paid to enter or not, but just the act of attracting lots of people brings money. Just the T-shirt business must be huge.

36 posted on 07/29/2007 8:02:12 PM PDT by narby
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To: EveningStar
Hey! I'm an invertebrate paleontologist, and these vertebrate guys are discriminating against me!!!!


37 posted on 07/29/2007 8:06:46 PM PDT by Defiant (Hunter if we can; Thompson if we can't; Romney if we must, Rudy if we wanna lose.)
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To: LiteKeeper

which scholars are you talking about. a day is one morning and one evening, period. If we wish to discuss it further, we can get in to it. You get your Torah and I will get mine. But pray that you want to know the TRUTH, and you will accept it.


38 posted on 07/29/2007 8:56:25 PM PDT by richardtavor (Pray for the peace of Jerusalem in the name of the G-d of Jacob)
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To: dartuser

except how we recon time is by solar days...kind of upsets the apple cart. The light that was mentioned on the first day had to be the Shikenah Glory.


39 posted on 07/29/2007 8:59:41 PM PDT by richardtavor (Pray for the peace of Jerusalem in the name of the G-d of Jacob)
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To: dwhole2th

Christians don’t need to invent a science, but it is fun to try and figure out how God, our Father, did His work. And being more artistic minded, I like to look for His point of view behind everything He made. What really cracks me up is after God destroys all this and creates the new combo heaven and earth, where we live with Him and there is no night (I’m sad about the stars), everything we know now, principles, physics, etc., will all be worthless. Everything will be different. Jesus appeared from nowhere after He rose from the dead and walked on water and changed water into wine before He died. We don’t have a grasp of all we can do now, let alone know what it will be when we live with God. Its fun to think about. Its good to think about. Like being in love.


40 posted on 07/29/2007 9:02:13 PM PDT by huldah1776
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