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Society Of Vertebrate Paleontology Speaks Out On Creation Museum
ScienceDaily ^ | July 30, 2007

Posted on 07/29/2007 2:13:08 PM PDT by EveningStar

Professional paleontologists from around the world are concerned about the misrepresentation of science at the newly opened Creation Museum in Petersburg, Kentucky. The Creation Museum has been marketed to the public as a “reasoned, logical defence” for young-earth creationism by Ken Ham, the President and CEO of Answers in Genesis, which runs the Creation Museum.

The Society of Vertebrate Paleontology, a world-wide scientific and educational organization concerned with vertebrate paleontology, contends that the museum presents visitors with a view of earth history that has been scientifically disproven for over a century...

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Philosophy; US: Kentucky
KEYWORDS: creationism; creationmuseum; crevolist; evolution; fsmdidit; museum; paleontology
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To: razzle

In the pursuit of scientific truth one learns over a period of many years to apply strict self discipline in an approach to objectivity. It is a process that requires study and application of sound principles.

Calling scientists evos and darwinists reflects a fundamental misunderstanding of the nature of science.

Scientists do not hold such preconceptions. Scientists do not want to shut down anyone who wants to present the real facts. We welcome the real facts. But the facts must be presented in a way that conforms to the rules of science. Without that conformity there is only chaos. Your characterizations are simply ignorant, or delusional.


81 posted on 08/01/2007 2:26:00 PM PDT by dwhole2th (''God gets you to the plate, but once you're there, you're on your own". Ted Williams)
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To: dwhole2th

And another thing. I have never claimed to be totally anything.

I am a Christian, I am a scientist, I am a practitioner, and I suppose many other things.

When I am a scientist I try to be as objective as possible given the inherent fallibility of also being human. Nevertheless I make a sincere attempt.

In my life as a Christian I make every effort to cast off my pursuit of objective truth and accept on faith what Scripture offers.

As a practitioner I mix the two.


82 posted on 08/01/2007 2:33:20 PM PDT by dwhole2th (''God gets you to the plate, but once you're there, you're on your own". Ted Williams)
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To: dwhole2th
“Scientists do not hold such preconceptions.”
“But the facts must be presented in a way that conforms to the rules of science.”

Stop it, you are making me ill. Yes thats the way its supposed to be, but you will admit, you will never entertain the possibility that the universe and everything it it were designed. Your science is LIMITED to materialism (or naturalism). My science is NOT limited, I go with the facts; darwinism has been disproven, you just don’t know it or won’t face it. You are a religious nut.

83 posted on 08/01/2007 3:46:23 PM PDT by razzle (Liberal Science: Experiments on unborn babies, man-made global warming, and darwinism.)
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To: EveningStar

Get a spine!


84 posted on 08/01/2007 3:48:40 PM PDT by toddlintown (Six bullets and Lennon goes down. Yet not one hit Yoko. Discuss.)
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To: dwhole2th
If you say you are a Christian, try reading The Case for a Creator by Lee Strobel. He was also an atheist but came to God (and subsequently Christ) through science.
85 posted on 08/01/2007 3:50:40 PM PDT by razzle (Liberal Science: Experiments on unborn babies, man-made global warming, and darwinism.)
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To: razzle

I already accept that there was a Creator and He is the living God.

I came to Jesus as a child....when I was a child. I pursued science as an adult with an intact faith. Nothing I have ever pursued in science has detracted from my faith. To the contrary, my pursuit of science increases my faith.

I taught evolutionary subjects at a major university and that never diminished my faith that the universe was created by God.

A balanced approach seems to work for me. I revel in science and I am continually inspired by the Holy Spirit to seek deeper understanding of the truth of the universe.

I think that’s why God gave us a big brain, to solve the mysteries of the universe and give Him the glory.


86 posted on 08/01/2007 4:15:09 PM PDT by dwhole2th (''God gets you to the plate, but once you're there, you're on your own". Ted Williams)
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To: razzle

Why do you resort to name calling?


87 posted on 08/01/2007 4:53:28 PM PDT by dwhole2th (''God gets you to the plate, but once you're there, you're on your own". Ted Williams)
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To: razzle
Your science is LIMITED to materialism (or naturalism). My science is NOT limited, I go with the facts..

No, you make the facts up as you go along. I doubt you've ever picked up a science book or journal in your life.

Oh let me guess, the Bible is enough for you.

88 posted on 08/01/2007 5:04:33 PM PDT by GunRunner (Come on Fred, how long are you going to wait?)
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To: dwhole2th
“I already accept that there was a Creator”

Yet you still believe that humans are a big mistake (or as you darwinists like to say - random mutation) and that these mistakes lead to our free will and our soul?, and that our ancestors are chimps. All this despite scientific evidence (show me a real example of one species changing into another) to the contrary. And I don’t recall God saying that He created Man from a chimp.

No, I am not buying into your act, bro. I also hear the lib all the time talking about faith, patriotism and how tough they are - I don’t buy their act either.

89 posted on 08/02/2007 7:28:34 AM PDT by razzle (Liberal Science: Experiments on unborn babies, man-made global warming, and darwinism.)
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To: GunRunner
“you make the facts up as you go along”

Don’t believe me, just read something from one of your heroes - Gould or Dawkins, they are honest enough to admit what they are (materialists period). (talk about name calling - btw, I have 2 science masters degrees plus a BS in Chemistry)

90 posted on 08/02/2007 7:32:12 AM PDT by razzle (Liberal Science: Experiments on unborn babies, man-made global warming, and darwinism.)
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To: razzle
Because they are afraid the goofy museum happens to be right (or at least conforms to the evidence better than darwinism).

I have 2 science masters degrees plus a BS in Chemistry

You have 3 "science degrees", but you think a museum that teaches dinosaurs and people lived together, tyrannosaurs were once vegetarians, the development of complex chemicals and life is against the laws thermodynamics, mutations can't add information to a genome, a pair of kangaroos & koalas migrated thousands of miles to hop on (or off) Noah's ark, radioactive decay rates might change over time, etc., "happens to be right"?

Unfreakingbelievably hilarious!!*

*Assuming the degrees weren't mail ordered, or stolen from a psychiatrist's wall...

91 posted on 08/02/2007 9:43:49 AM PDT by ok_now ((Huh?))
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To: ok_now
“dinosaurs and people living together”; our great great uncle was bonzo the chimp.

the first seems a lot more plausible than the second (matter of fact everything (from the creation museum) you posted seems a lot more believable than darwinism). (p.s. read the 2nd law of thermodynamics, you really need a good review)

92 posted on 08/02/2007 10:43:35 AM PDT by razzle (Liberal Science: Experiments on unborn babies, man-made global warming, and darwinism.)
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To: razzle

Does your religion teach that salvation is only available for conservatives?

Do you really believe that only conservatives are patriotic?

Do you really believe that liberals are wimps?


93 posted on 08/02/2007 11:11:36 AM PDT by dwhole2th (''God gets you to the plate, but once you're there, you're on your own". Ted Williams)
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To: razzle

What are your MS degrees in? From what institution?


94 posted on 08/02/2007 11:14:13 AM PDT by dwhole2th (''God gets you to the plate, but once you're there, you're on your own". Ted Williams)
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To: razzle
“dinosaurs and people living together”; our great great uncle was bonzo the chimp.

the first seems a lot more plausible than the second (matter of fact everything (from the creation museum) you posted seems a lot more believable than darwinism). (p.s. read the 2nd law of thermodynamics, you really need a good review)

Wow. You don't even know what evolution is. Thanks for the comedy.

You don't even know what thermodynamics is, either, apparently. It's sadly disappointing someone with a supposed B.S. in chemistry doesn't understand a concept as simple as entropy transport across a system boundary. Anyone who passes Physics 101 should know better than to say something silly like "thermodynamics prevents complexity from arising in nature".

96 posted on 08/02/2007 12:52:35 PM PDT by ok_now ((Huh?))
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To: razzle

Never mind answering my questions.

I just read some of your past posts and I have you pretty well figured out.

I will not engage with you in further exchanges.


97 posted on 08/02/2007 1:17:56 PM PDT by dwhole2th (''God gets you to the plate, but once you're there, you're on your own". Ted Williams)
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To: brigadoon

It was in the days of Gallileo Too!


98 posted on 08/02/2007 1:19:27 PM PDT by JSDude1 (Republicans if the don't beware ARE the new WHIGS! (all empty hairpieces..) :).)
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To: razzle

becuase they know that Creation/ID has real Empirical support, their egos (world-view) just can’t hadle that, but look at the evidence objectively; The Bible is backed up by “Empirical”-(Real measurable) science, not fantasies, and not theories, but archeology and geology!


99 posted on 08/02/2007 1:21:52 PM PDT by JSDude1 (Republicans if the don't beware ARE the new WHIGS! (all empty hairpieces..) :).)
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To: dwhole2th

“Does your religion teach that salvation is only available for conservatives?

Do you really believe that only conservatives are patriotic?

Do you really believe that liberals are wimps?”

no, yes, yes


100 posted on 08/02/2007 1:24:19 PM PDT by razzle (Liberal Science: Experiments on unborn babies, man-made global warming, and darwinism.)
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