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Gangs in the Military
CBS News ^ | 7/29/2007 | Anonymous CBS babblehead

Posted on 07/29/2007 4:24:57 PM PDT by Red6

Video on CBS link about the DoD and "gang violence".

If the link doesn't work, use CBS: http://www.cbsnews.com

On the right, half way down, look for the link to "Gang warfare in the Military."


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: army; gangs; marines; military; msm; recruitment; seebsnews
It is very unfortunate that CBS has to sensationalize, take out of context, and add a spin to what they claim is news (It's all because of Iraq = Bush's fault). It's trash packaged as news. I won't even bother discussing other factors like an economy with near full employment where the DoD has to compete for people. The concepts of how a market works would go right over CBS's head.

The DoD in the past, especially during the drawdown years ago, could be overly picky with whom they took. This went so far that a young man with more than two traffic violations in the last six months could not enter service. Do three speeding tickets make a young man a “bad guy?” He needed a "moral waiver" to get in! Tattoo's which nearly 30% of all young men and women between the ages of 25 and 34 have if visible disqualified a person from service. Of course CBS took the loosening of some of these restrictions to mean that the Army is now intentionally recruiting gang members; that the standards have dropped because “moral waivers” are given for a Celtic or Mickey Mouse tattoo that is barely visible while in uniform.

We understand that the "Recruiting shortfall” stories no longer have any traction and have been sunk with facts, so I guess the new angle is the "Army of criminals", which BTW is another old stereotype from years past. Other military stories on their site: Pat Tillman and the never ending cover-up. I was surprised not to see anything referencing Abu Gahrib.

Time to change the channel.

1 posted on 07/29/2007 4:24:59 PM PDT by Red6
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To: Red6
that the standards have dropped because “moral waivers” are given for a Celtic or Mickey Mouse tattoo that is barely visible while in uniform.

The relaxed tattoo standards are worse than a Foghorn Leghorn tattoo on the forearm. Under Army policy, I can have tattoos on my hands and on the back of my neck.
2 posted on 07/29/2007 4:30:32 PM PDT by SoldierMedic (Rowan Walter, 23 Feb 2007 Ramadi)
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To: Red6
This is the 2nd thread on this today, the truly odd thing is that as much as I go through all of the .mil sites for all of the services and the commands, the only places that I’ve seen it is here on FR and at the See B.S. site.
3 posted on 07/29/2007 4:38:33 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: SoldierMedic
That you for quoting the official statement found on all .mil sites. Now please read the rest: “if they are NOT “extremist, indecent, sexist or racist.” Army Regulation 670-1, which was modified via a message released Jan. 25, also now specifies: “Any tattoo or brand anywhere on the head or face is prohibited except for permanent makeup.”

Source: http://www4.army.mil/ocpa/read.php?story_id_key=8692

The way it use to be (I joined in 96), a woman that had brows tattooed on her face technically was in violation! does that make sense? No.

4 posted on 07/29/2007 4:39:00 PM PDT by Red6 (Come and take it.)
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To: Red6
gangs military
5 posted on 07/29/2007 4:42:48 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: Red6
Gangs of lieutenants are the worst, man.
6 posted on 07/29/2007 7:31:07 PM PDT by GingisK
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To: GingisK

Hey, I resembled that remark once years ago.


7 posted on 07/29/2007 7:32:57 PM PDT by art_rocks
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Especially if they have a compass.


8 posted on 07/30/2007 1:25:24 AM PDT by Tainan (Talk is cheap. Silence is golden. All I got is brass...lotsa brass.)
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To: Tainan; GingisK; art_rocks
Hey, I resembled that remark once years ago.

Me, too. Back in my day, it took two years to swap the butter bar out for a silver bar. It didn't start clicking for me until I flunked my first ARTEP...looking back on my mistakes, it was like a big light came on. I was fine after that. Especially if they have a compass.

That shouldn't be a problem anymore...I thought a GPS device was now standard issue. If it isn't, it should be!

Didn't need a compass or map where I was stationed at in Germany. After about two weeks, I knew where my primary and secondary positions were. It took me about four weeks to know where the best gasthauses und bacherei were in the closest towns.

Damn, I loved being a platoon leader! Whenever the Air Force had their alerts, battalion (and group) had to leave us alone, as we came under the direct command of the Wing Cdr. With the possible exception of a routine visit from the USAFE/NATO evaluators, Tac Evals were pretty close to being a 4 day camping trip. Of course, we caught hell when it was over, as we had to make up the Army requirements.

A few years later, as Battalion S-4, I used that knowledge to lay out a sophisticated scenario for my logistical briefings during our Battalion ARTEP. After my first briefing, the Group S-3 asked me "how the heck did you come up with that BS?". I simply replied, "Colonel, I've lived here for four years, and spent thousands of hours getting to know this area, and its people. I applied that knowledge with my boss' demands to be imaginative and innovative, and I believe I met his challenge."

The "Old Man" had a big grin on his face...later, I worked for him for another two years back at Fort Bliss.

9 posted on 07/30/2007 1:55:37 AM PDT by Night Hides Not (Chuck Hagel makes Joe Biden look like a statesman!)
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To: Night Hides Not
Good story. I can tell you had a good time and learned how to make the Army work for you. Things could be downright fun once one discovered that trick.
My Army time was pre-GPS, '68-'79, but fortunately I learned to read a compass as a mere pup running the woods (read retired Navy Father (1919-1946) who could do celestial navigation, shoot an azimuth and use a lot of other arcane navigational devices).
10 posted on 07/30/2007 2:49:40 AM PDT by Tainan (Talk is cheap. Silence is golden. All I got is brass...lotsa brass.)
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To: Night Hides Not; Tainan; art_rocks
I was commissioned in 1972. Lucky for me I had mastered the compass in boy scouts. I will never forget how I felt as a new lieutenant. Lonely unless surrounded by a pack of them, since we were not particularly popular from either direction of the food chain.

There is an old movie titled "The Reluctant Hero" about a young lieutenant in the Korean war. That was the closest rendition of "that feeling" I've ever seen.

You do grow out of it, thank God.

11 posted on 07/30/2007 6:14:31 AM PDT by GingisK
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To: Red6

Even if they aren’t extremist or racist, a tattoo on the back of the neck doesn’t exactly show professionalism. It sort of makes the Army look tacky. I’ve seen some pretty fantastic tattoos on soldiers, but none that could be seen while in a Class A. And there is a reason for that: While in uniform you represent America, and you want to represent her well.


12 posted on 07/30/2007 8:52:50 PM PDT by SoldierMedic (Rowan Walter, 23 Feb 2007 Ramadi)
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