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Surveillance Cameras Win Broad Support
ABC News ^ | July 29, 2007 | MICHELLE LIRTZMAN

Posted on 07/29/2007 5:40:02 PM PDT by ECM

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To: muawiyah

Your kidding right?


61 posted on 07/29/2007 8:01:58 PM PDT by montanajoe
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To: montanajoe
As long as the public thinks it owns the government, the government's employees have a problem. The first one is keeping private stuff private ~ like salary.

Don't tell me you didn't know that.

62 posted on 07/29/2007 8:03:19 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: montanajoe

I don’t think we disagree on that at all.

As a necessary evil it must be restrained.

You believe the Constitution already prohibits such acts. I can’t see anywhere it does, and I have apparently even less desire than you do to turn such questions over to judges to decide.

The abandonment of the amendment process is largely how we got into the mess we’re in now. Pressure groups no longer put together campaigns to get amendments passed, they put together lawsuits crafted to allow judges to find that the desired principle was “already in there.”

This has been disastrous for conservative principles and American freedoms.


63 posted on 07/29/2007 8:03:32 PM PDT by Sherman Logan (It's not the heat, it's the stupidity.)
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To: montanajoe
Oh, yeah, at a certain grade-level you have to make a detailed declaration of all of your financial interests ~ stocks, bonds, savings, property ~ every year.

That's so you don't think any of them are self-dealing under the table.

It's the law.

Most of this privacy violation stuff inflicted on public employees has its origin in Republican Congresses.

64 posted on 07/29/2007 8:04:43 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: ECM
We have one at our home that watches the Garage (our front door) and driveway.

Our local garbage company now has them.

So our driveway cam can now argue with their truck cam on if we did or did not have our garbage cans out for pick up. Takes the human element right out of that issue. : )

65 posted on 07/29/2007 8:05:19 PM PDT by Global2010 (Oregon Coast our lil town. Nah nah nah nah It's our town.)
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To: Global2010
Plus, both you and the trash haulers can find out who's filling the cans who isn't supposed to.

Here where we have competitively private trash companies this is a real problem ~ guys who avoid payments by stuffing their trash in your can.

66 posted on 07/29/2007 8:07:13 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: AFreeBird

Why should it bother you that a camera follows you around in public? Are you afraid that the government is going to pay some government bureaucrat to look at every video and get his jollies out of watching you go into a 7-11? And if they did, so what? The only bad thing about it is that I’d have to pay for another bureaucrat’s salary.

But you know that isn’t what they are going to do. Like the cameras in the bank, no one is going to look at it unless something bad happens and they need information about what happened.


67 posted on 07/29/2007 8:07:17 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: Brilliant

I fail to see how the camera issue is any different in principle from the authorities hiring enough cops to have one standing in each location 24 hours a day watching what goes on.

That wouldn’t be unconstitutional, although probably way too expensive. How is the use of cameras any different?


68 posted on 07/29/2007 8:10:43 PM PDT by Sherman Logan (It's not the heat, it's the stupidity.)
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To: Sherman Logan
I suppose it is my misguided belief that people are smart enough to see the grave danger that technology running amok presents to all our liberties.

I am not advocating this going to the courts, although I know invariably it will. I’m advocating people use their common sense and put a stop to these idiot ideas before they have a chance to get to the courts.

69 posted on 07/29/2007 8:10:52 PM PDT by montanajoe
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To: mysterio

My liberty is not going to be given up because some camera that no one looks at unless a crime is committed is running 24/7 on a street corner. It’s no different than putting a cop on the street corner, except it’s more efficient.


70 posted on 07/29/2007 8:11:05 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: Sherman Logan

Exactly. I just said the same thing myself.


71 posted on 07/29/2007 8:12:08 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: montanajoe

Good luck with that.


72 posted on 07/29/2007 8:24:18 PM PDT by Sherman Logan (It's not the heat, it's the stupidity.)
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To: muawiyah
Like we both agree...act accordingly. Here in Nevada, if you can see a casino, they can see you.

I interpet the 4th to mean that as long as I'm in the clear, of any questionably legal activity, then there is nothing for me to fear. If I have acted questionably, the officer still has to get a warrent to search within an hour. Otherwise, unless he has solid probable cause, I'm free to go.

If a person is offended by the camrea, take it up at city council, where you have a chance of by the people...and know the representatives, and their stand.
73 posted on 07/29/2007 8:33:03 PM PDT by Issaquahking (Duncan Hunter for president!)
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To: vetsvette

How can there be “little/no objection from the public, despite the scandals”? Which is it? I suspect the latter is the true public sentiment, the poll “data” is just eyewash, since the public isn’t consulted. It’s usually foisted as a public/private partnership - tax revenues are going down in many cities relative to inflation at least, and they are laying off uniformed officers. But a spiffy new camera setup owned by out-of-state entities is OK?

I don’t have a problem with the concept provided A. it is done with local taxpayer dollars, and B. it is generally approved at the county or municipal level. But the public is generally given a set of false choices, or really no choice at all. Smile! /s


74 posted on 07/29/2007 8:46:14 PM PDT by Freedom4US
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To: Brilliant

[i]”Like the cameras in the bank, no one is going to look at it unless something bad happens and they need information about what happened.[/i][br][br]

Maybe there should be less dependence on recording atrocities for posterity, and preventing them in the first place? When was the last time you saw an armed guard at a bank? Didn’t that used to be standard? What happened?


75 posted on 07/29/2007 8:49:56 PM PDT by Freedom4US
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To: xcamel

You mean you’re OK with the violation of your friend’s privacy in a public place? Fascist!


76 posted on 07/29/2007 9:01:15 PM PDT by edsheppa
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To: Ben Mugged

How dare your company violate the privacy of those thieves!


77 posted on 07/29/2007 9:03:03 PM PDT by edsheppa
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To: Rudder
Does anyone know how the question was worded by the pollers?? That more important of a question.
78 posted on 07/29/2007 9:05:38 PM PDT by antiunion person (Being white in America, we are not only a minority now but being screwed.)
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To: Brilliant
I’m in favor of it. If you want privacy, stay in your house.

They'll be demanding cameras there too soon enough. If you have nothing to hide, why should you mind? 

79 posted on 07/29/2007 9:08:06 PM PDT by zeugma (If I eat right, don't smoke and exercise, I might live long enough to see the last Baby Boomer die.)
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To: Brilliant
Are you afraid that the government is going to pay some government bureaucrat to look at every video and get his jollies out of watching you go into a 7-11? And if they did, so what? The only bad thing about it is that I’d have to pay for another bureaucrat’s salary.

Twenty years ago, I would have agreed with you. Given the improvements in storage and facial recognition technologies, however, some rather ominous scenarios are becoming increasingly likely.

It used to be that, even if the government had surveillance cameras on every street corner the only way they would have been able to track a person's movements and actions would be to know in advance who they were looking for. If technology trends continue, however, it will get to the point that anything you do in public will be archived forever someplace, and the government will be able to retroactively look back on your life and see all the things you've done.

How many people do you think would be able to achieve political office if those in power were to expose every remotely shady thing they'd ever done? The Big Brother systems give those in power all sorts of wonderful abilities to blackmail anyone they want; they could not only use these abilities for personal profit, but also to protect themselves from political competition. I hope I'm not the only person who thinks that's somewhat scary.

80 posted on 07/29/2007 9:12:22 PM PDT by supercat (Sony delenda est.)
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