Posted on 07/31/2007 11:34:49 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA
Re: all this crap in the media, as justified as it may be in some respects, is wrong if we believe in the fundamnetal fairness of our judicial process
Why?
Vick is (and should be) viewed as a pariah.
So people who commit heinous crimes like Dahmer should just be accepted by the community up until the day the courts determine their guilt?
Ludicrous.
I can think of many things that should be done to this scum of the earth; but I can’t say them here.
If they're going to change the victim in the story, at least keep the offenses the same. Why don't they ask themselves,
"If he had kept women chained in a kennel, brutally trained them to kill other women, starving some, then forced them to fight in a ring while he and his friends bet money on the outcome, killing the losers of the fight by shooting them in the head, beating them to death, slamming their bodies off the ground, kicking them, or electrocuting them, would he be in this much trouble?"
He didn't just "beat his dog". Not enough attention is paid to the abuse of women by some athletes, but it's just not quite the same thing.
Forgot him.....another great thinker/sarc
Personally, I’ve never liked Vick and the attitude he shows, but your statement reminds me of the horrible gang rape committed by those guys at Duke. (/s)
We, the people, are not on a jury. We don't have to see proof beyond a reasonable doubt. We have to make up our own minds. And for many, with the evidence they've heard, Vick is guilty enough to have earned his punishment on a social level, regardless of the court outcome.
But you are absolutely correct. We cannot confuse legal and social. They are, and should remain, two different things.
Well said.
LT, there is nothing remotely incredible about a dog fight.
I’m sorry to say that Clinton Portis should be added to that list. He should shut up...the more he talks the better Ladell Betts looks.
Re: He should shut up
Actually, I like to hear these guys talk.
It is revealing of their character, or lack of it.
But if you read closely, LT did say that there was a largely black subculture of dogfighting, just that he didn’t have the heart to participate (though it sounded like he had been to the dogfights). I’m pretty sure there is a largely black, NFL/NBA subculture of dogfighting and I hope a good journalist goes after it.
Red, you and I have had a brief encounter about this topic in recent days. All I can say is that you can count me among the folks who will afford Vick his just due until such time a court find him guilty.
In this respect, I am consistent with the way I felt about the Duke Lacrosse team members. Everyone here at the time felt the same way I do now, that the men on that team were being unfairly treated as guilty before innocent in the press.
Can you see the point I’m (others are) making?
If you read Tomlinson's comments, he comes out strongly against dog-fighting. He should not be criticized through cherry-picked quotes.
Vick is NOT rotting in court. He is getting his due process.
Do I expect people to cut him any slack for the heinous crimes committed? Heck no!
So no, I am not quite sure of the point you are making.
Are you holding back judgement on the 2 guys in CT who killed that family too, after being caught at the scene? And if not, why not?
Meant to say rotting in jail.
How is Sanders a thug? You have to be a pretty hard worker to be a success in football and baseball.
Emmett Smith seems like a pretty good guy for the most part-— isn’t “thug” a stretch for him, too?
Rush Limbaugh, who incidentally has criticized MSM critics of Vick on the grounds that 1) conviction via media is prima facie dubious 2) gaining testimony via plea bargain deals is prima facie dubious 3) dogfighting isn’t a big deal since it doesn’t involve harm to human beings, was kicked off ESPN simply for having a different opinion.
I disagreed with Rush’s assessment of McNabb then, and I disagree with his assessment of the Vick case now. But I agreed with Rush’s assessment of the media in both cases. I don’t read or watch NFL or ESPN or Fox NFL coverage to get uniform opinion, which is why I don’t watch ESPN as much as I used to. I don’t see anything morally wrong with defending Vick-— if that’s what Smith and Sanders think is right, that’s what they should do. I didn’t appreciate the company line enforced on Rush at ESPN (exposed by Max Kellerman, who used to cover boxing there)or on the fake Augusta female members “controversy”.
Former players usually stand up for current ones-— they’re too close to the situation at hand to be objective, since they’re all members of the same fraternity, so to speak. But former players also bring a wealth of knowledge about the game unknown to the rest of us-— it’s a trade-off. That’s why it’s best, in my opinion anyway, to have a mixture of former players, coaches and journalists commenting.
I’ve never been a Deion Sanders fan, but I don’t think he made too many points Rush didn’t. Is Rush a thug too?
Which dog will you get to testify against Vick?
The feds have strong evidence and now a plea deal with one of the accused who originally plead not guilty.
In a court of law Vick is innocent until proven guilty, in the court of public opinion we don't have to afford him that right.
Re: Rush Limbaugh, who incidentally has criticized MSM critics of Vick on the grounds that 1) conviction via media is prima facie dubious
This is nonsense.
Was the public outcry over Jeffrey Dahmer also “dubious”? Or how about the public outrage of the 2 guys who killed an enttire family in CT and were caught at the scene? Is this also “dubious”?
They will be tried in a court of law and be found guilty or not innocent. Period.
Until then, the public can render its opinion of their actions. This is America after all, isn’t it?
Great point. O.J. as acquitted by 12 retards and nevertheless was found guilty in the court of public opinion, and has paid for it dearly ever since. Not enough for justice for the two he killed, but he has paid.
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