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New risks discovered for HPV (under fingernails)
Seattle Post-Intelligencer ^ | July 31, 2007 | Tom Paulson

Posted on 08/01/2007 11:01:53 AM PDT by mngran

Controversy continues to plague efforts to protect young women against cervical cancer by vaccinating them against HPV, the human papillomavirus, but one leading scientist's discovery could throw a monkey wrench into the debate.

"We found HPV under the fingernails of young men," said Dr. Laura Koutsky, a University of Washington epidemiologist.

Koutsky led some of the pioneering research and clinical trials that resulted in an HPV vaccine, Merck's Gardasil, recently approved for use in girls and young women. The reason her fingernail finding is a potential bombshell has to do with why the vaccine is controversial.

HPV, which is the leading cause of most cervical cancers, is primarily a sexually transmitted disease. Opponents of HPV vaccines believe that immunizing girls against this virus sends the message that engaging in sex at a young age is acceptable behavior.

The presence of HPV under fingernails, she said, at the very least suggests another possible route of transmission. It's an additional route of infection, she said, that could explain some previous apparent anomalies such as HPV infection in infants and young girls who had not yet engaged in sexual activity.

(Excerpt) Read more at seattlepi.nwsource.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: cancer; gardasil; health; hpv; hpvvaccine; humanpapillomavirus; merck; promiscuity; riskybehavior; vaccine; vaccines; women
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To: mngran; whitedog57

The article is an obviously “pro-mandatory” vaccination piece. If I mistook your comments to be supporting the whole concept of the article I apologies.

You have as much right to your opinion as anyone else but if anyone is supporting “coersive” or “mandatory” vaccinations, then I think they are “nanny staters”.


21 posted on 08/01/2007 11:22:39 AM PDT by GulfBreeze (Support America, Support Duncan Hunter for President)
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To: Tax-chick
Can you give an example of "head cancers"?

Not touching that one :)

22 posted on 08/01/2007 11:22:58 AM PDT by Mordacious
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To: Tax-chick

They don’t care about anything but their profit margins.


23 posted on 08/01/2007 11:23:18 AM PDT by darkangel82 (Socialism is NOT an American value.)
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To: weegee

nonetheless, it should not be mandatory.


24 posted on 08/01/2007 11:23:45 AM PDT by GulfBreeze (Support America, Support Duncan Hunter for President)
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To: mngran

Government has no business mandating such a vaccine. Period.


25 posted on 08/01/2007 11:23:55 AM PDT by Politicalmom (Of the potential GOP front runners, FT has one of the better records on immigration.- NumbersUSA)
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To: Mordacious

Shoot, I didn’t even think of that! It was a series question :-).

How about “neck cancers”? Are you talking about esophagal cancer?


26 posted on 08/01/2007 11:25:16 AM PDT by Tax-chick (All the main characters die, and then the Prince of Sweden delivers the Epilogue.)
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To: mngran

I think all young boys and men should be vaccinated immediately......infact, it should be a state law.....


27 posted on 08/01/2007 11:25:19 AM PDT by cherry
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To: mngran

The best protection from cervical cancer is yearly pap smears.


28 posted on 08/01/2007 11:25:25 AM PDT by elc
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To: darkangel82

Clearly.


29 posted on 08/01/2007 11:26:08 AM PDT by Tax-chick (All the main characters die, and then the Prince of Sweden delivers the Epilogue.)
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To: dangerdoc

The herd isn’t immune. There is migration to college and populations that have not been vaccinated. The men are carriers with their own risk factors.


30 posted on 08/01/2007 11:28:16 AM PDT by weegee (NO THIRD TERM. America does not need another unconstitutional Clinton co-presidency.)
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To: cherry
as a follow up, of course I am joking ....the govt. has no business whatsoever in ordering vaccinations.....

my other jibe is I do get very sick of primarily men telling girls and women what they HAVE to do....like, preventing pregnancy is woman's work, and men shouldn't have to worry about it....(NOT!)

31 posted on 08/01/2007 11:30:47 AM PDT by cherry
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To: mngran

32 posted on 08/01/2007 11:33:24 AM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: mngran
I've said this before: I've had too many family members die from cancer, and I think every woman should get this vaccination. Now it sounds like you can get HPV from non-sexual activity. Why would anyone not want their daughters and mothers and sisters to be protected as best they can from cancer?

I respect what you've been through and how you feel. However, you should respect that it should be up to no one bu the parents to decide to which UNnecessary vaccines their children are subject. Cancer is not a communicable disease and this is not some huge public health emergency. This vaccine is pretty much untested, and no one knows the efficacy or the longterm side effects. So, to turn your question around, why would anyone want their daughters and mothers and sisters to become guinea pigs for a pharmaceutical company? JMO.

33 posted on 08/01/2007 11:34:15 AM PDT by USArmySpouse
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To: GulfBreeze

In America, you have to prove your children are vaccinated prior to enrolling them in school.

Public health programs are more complicated than simple personal choice.

Cities have to sterilize the public water supply.

New homes have to connect to approved septic systems.

Certain employees are required to submit to anual TB testing.

Food service workers are required to submit to testing during outbreaks of food related illness.

Public health is not the same as nannyism. It is the primary cause of increased longevity around the world. The damage to the Public Health System caused by the granting of civil rights to the HIV virus will haunt us for years.

The reason some people are screaming about vaccination for HPV is that it is perceived to be a sexually transmitted disease. These howls of protest threaten to give HPV the same civil rights that HIV enjoys. The significance of finding HPV under fingernails shows that it may be spread independent of sexual practice. A chaste young woman could be exposed to the HPV virus and eventually develop cancer from the use of tampons. She may also pass on this virus to her monogomous husband when she marries.


34 posted on 08/01/2007 11:39:01 AM PDT by dangerdoc (dangerdoc (not actually dangerous any more))
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To: Tax-chick
Shoot, I didn’t even think of that! It was a series question :-)

Sorry. My dirty mind strikes again.

How about “neck cancers”? Are you talking about esophagal cancer?

I was talking primarily about oropharyngeal and laryngeal cancers, which, according to this particular study, had the highest incidence of HPV 16 in tissue samples - 68.7% in laryngeal samples - but the study mentioned the entire oral cavity.

Incidentally, the same study also found that smoking and drinking rates were much higher in the people with the HPV 16 infected tissue samples.

35 posted on 08/01/2007 11:39:16 AM PDT by Mordacious
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To: mngran
The CDC...estimates that 25 percent of all women in the U.S. are already infected with the [HPV] virus...

I absolutely don't believe this. They need to test everyone in the country for the HPV virus, if they believe that 25% of women are infected. It sounds like they are in league with the vaccine companies, in order for the vaccine companies to make money. Does the CDC get a kickback?

36 posted on 08/01/2007 11:40:50 AM PDT by my_pointy_head_is_sharp (Evil never stops.)
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To: dangerdoc

Women aren’t the only ones who get it nor are they they only ones at risk for cancer from it.

But calling it a “women’s issue” politicizes it like AIDS/HIV.


37 posted on 08/01/2007 11:40:56 AM PDT by weegee (NO THIRD TERM. America does not need another unconstitutional Clinton co-presidency.)
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To: mngran
The elephant in this room is the cost of these ‘free’ HPV immunizations. I understand that the full course of shots costs over $300. I don’t recall having the public debate about the best place to spend this money, and it appears to be a big pile of dough. Of course, politics doesn’t really care about health, it cares about politics. If that were not true, then why have the several States spent such a small percent of the Tobacco Settlement funds on helping people to stop smoking, or in really paying for their medical expenses?

If HPV was so costly in the form of costs of care and treatment, we would see health insurance carriers urging their policyholders to be immunized.

I agree with a previous poster: it is not any of the government’s business if I force my daughter to get the shots or not.

39 posted on 08/01/2007 11:41:18 AM PDT by theBuckwheat
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To: Mordacious

That’s very interesting. Thanks!


40 posted on 08/01/2007 11:42:07 AM PDT by Tax-chick (All the main characters die, and then the Prince of Sweden delivers the Epilogue.)
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