Vanity: Civil War Research; Three simple questions

[bicpen]

Hi,

If you could please answer a few quick questions for me, I would be most appreciative. Thanks so much!

If you were looking for information online about President Lincoln what URL would

If you were looking for information online about the Civil War what URL would you type?

If you couldn't find either of these websites by typing in your best guess as the web address, what search terms would you key into an online search engine?

[itsamelman]

Here.

 

 

 

 

 

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[billbears]

Best Link for Information on the 16th President

Lots of articles and links to other sources. You can find out quite a bit on the War of Southern Independence there as well

Bump request for any additional sources on the 16th President and War Between the States information

[billbears]

"My politics are short and sweet, like the old woman's dance. I am in favor of a national bank ... in favor of the internal improvements system and a high protective tariff." ~ Lincoln, Campaign Speech, 1832

You'd think after 170 years some Republicans would have smartened up. Guess not...

"[Free trade is a system whereby] some have labored, and others have, without labor, enjoyed a large portion of the fruits.... To secure to each laborer the whole product of his labor, or as nearly as possible, is a most worthy object of any good government." "[International trade] is demonstrably a dead loss of labor... labor being the true standard of value." ~ Lincoln, Feb. 15, 1861

Spoken like a man that receives letters of commendation from Karl Marx....

The 16th President In His Own Words

[Colonel Kangaroo]

So Lincoln was a Henry Clay disciple. If that was such an evil to be avoided, the southern Democrats would not have broken away from Douglas and ensured Lincoln's election.

Lincoln's economic errors pale when compared to the thoughts of the VP of the Confederacy:

"Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite idea; its foundations are laid, its corner- stone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery—subordination to the superior race—is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth."

I think most people will agree that a civilization based on tariffs, no matter how economically inefficient, is preferable to a civilization founded on slavery.

"Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery - the greatest material interest of the world." - Mississippi's Declaration of Secession

[Non-Sequitur]

Lincoln, Feb. 15, 1861

Lincoln was in Cleveland on February 15, 1861. And the speech he gave there bears no resemblance to what you've just quoted, billbears. Link.

Reduced to making up quotes now?

[Non-Sequitur]

"The legitimate object of government is to do for a community of people whatever they need to have done, but cannot do at all, or cannot do so well, for themselves, in their separate and individual capacities."

Let's look at that quote in context, billbears. Something you absolutely hated doing, I know, but is often necessary after one of your attacks.

"The legitimate object of government, is to do for a community of people, whatever they need to have done, but can not do, at all, or can not, so well do, for themselves---in their separate, and individual capacities.

In all that the people can individually do as well for themselves, government ought not to interfere.

The desirable things which the individuals of a people can not do, or can not well do, for themselves, fall into two classes: those which have relation to wrongs, and those which have not. Each of these branch off into an infinite variety of subdivisions.

The first---that in relation to wrongs---embraces all crimes, misdemeanors, and non-performance of contracts. The other embraces all which, in its nature, and without wrong, requires combined action, as public roads and highways, public schools, charities, pauperism, orphanage, estates of the deceased, and the machinery of government itself.

From this it appears that if all men were just, there still would be some, though not so much, need of government." -- Abraham Lincoln July 1854(?)

Now what, exactly, is wrong with that?

[StoneWall Brigade]

Say N-S do you any good books on the military campaigns of Caesar?

[Non-Sequitur]

Can't say as I do. It's not been a period of history that's piqued my curiosity much. I seem to be moving backwards in time, going through the Napoleonic wars and now I'm reading more on the Revolution. At the rate I'm going I should reach Caesar's campaigns by my 186th birthday.

Only exception to that is Rober Graves. I read, and loved, "I Claudius" and "Claudius The God" year s ago. It's historical fiction, but very, very good historical fiction.

[BuffaloJack]

Dang Stonewall Jackson,
I had a ggg-uncle who died of typhus at the Union POW camp in Elmira, New York too. By coincidence he had the same first, middle and last name as me. He was captured at the Battle of Helena. Basically, we lost every male member of the family over the age of 13. I think it was 14 or 15 all told. They were with the 11th, 12th, 13th, 17th and 18th Arkansas Infantry Regiments and one CS Marine Corp., aboard CSS Atlanta.
The Genealogy stuff is interesting, a tremendous amount of records on line, but really tedious to search through. The word is patience and perseverance.

[BuffaloJack]

One of the best Civil War site on the internet is at http://www.CivilWeek.com. It contains a day by day account put together with newspaper clippings, letters, official dispatches, and orders. Very well done.

[billbears]

There was no need to post the whole thing. Because the rest of it was nonsensical as well

"The legitimate object of government, is to do for a community of people, whatever they need to have done, but can not do, at all, or can not, so well do, for themselves---in their separate, and individual capacities.

No the legitimate object of government is for defense, legislation between two parties, etc. The Framers never saw a day where government would 'help' in that sense. Well except for Calypso Alex and he wanted a king

The other embraces all which, in its nature, and without wrong, requires combined action, as public roads and highways, public schools, charities, pauperism, orphanage, estates of the deceased, and the machinery of government itself.

Well nothing. Well except it all is none of the business of the government. I talked to a liberal the other day right after the accident in Minnesota. He could have been a Whig from way back the way he was literally whining the government had to 'do' something

But the 16th President fixed us that didn't he? Thank goodness. 140 years later a failing infrastructure built much the same way the Union Pacific was built. Overruns, schemes, shoddy workmanship. Yeah, go union!! Away, preferrably far away.

[stand watie]

sadly, MOST of what is published on lincoln,the TYRANT is BILGE & MYTH.

fyi, lincoln & wee willie klintoon were TWO of a kind as POTUS. (in a few more decades, wee willie klintoon will have the same sort of fawning, "hero-worshipping", books as lincoln currently does.)

NEITHER president was honorable, decent and/or had more morals than the average alley-cat.

BOTH were crooked, shyster, lawyers.

EITHER would do ANYTHING to "get ahead" and/or to get POWER & MONEY.

BOTH would have happily mailed out White House recipes for cooking people, if 2% of the voters decided to be cannibals.

NEITHER is worthy of the acclaim they generally enjoy. (but that shouldn't surprise anyone reading this, as "the average American" is "brain-dead", UNinvolved, UNcritical as a "thinker" and/or HALF-educated.)

free dixie,sw

[Night Hides Not]

you need to sevice your vanity thread mr first day here...it’s considered good manners unless you tell folks upthread you are going to be out.

There are few things lower in life than first-day vanity posters that do not service their threads.

It's even worse if they're doing it under false pretenses at the behest of Bill O'Reilly, Kos, or DU.

I graduated from college in the prehistoric era before computers and search engines. Unlike you, I got my degrees the old fashioned way...I earned them!

[Lancey Howard]

http://clusty.com/

[wardaddy]

you’re not implying I purchased my BA at Ole Miss in 1980 are ya?

i hated fortran

i know my way to Texas...careful

;>)

[Rb ver. 2.0]

Bill O’Reilly, is that you?

[Night Hides Not]

you’re not implying I purchased my BA at Ole Miss in 1980 are ya?

Of course not, WD. My BBA is only four years older than yours. I'll bet you had to do your research in the library stacks just like I did.

It took me an entire weekend to type my 40 page senior thesis...I borrowed a friend's state-of-the-art electric typewriter with interchangeable black and white cartridges (for corrections). My spell checker was a dictionary.

Let me know when you're in the Metroplex...we can get a beer.

Fortran...why did you bring that foul language into our conversation?

[fso301]

You seem to be a middle school student researching a paper for 7th grade American History. Why not just post the subject of your paper here and you will be surprised at the wealth of information available.

[Non-Sequitur]

There was no need to post the whole thing. Because the rest of it was nonsensical as well.

Not quite as nonsensical as that link you posted, billbears.

No the legitimate object of government is for defense, legislation between two parties, etc. The Framers never saw a day where government would 'help' in that sense. Well except for Calypso Alex and he wanted a king.

And wasn't defense and law enforcement and education and infrastructure four of the things Lincoln mentioned? All legitimate functions of federal and state government.

Well except it all is none of the business of the government.

Why isn't roads and highways and schools a legitimate function of state and local government?

But the 16th President fixed us that didn't he?

In your paranoid world, yes. In the real world the blame can be placed elsewhere.

[Stonewall Jackson]

Is your ggg-uncle buried at Woodlawn National Cemetery in Elmira? If he is and you can provide me with his name, rank, and unit, I’ll try to find his grave when I go there next spring and I’ll take a photo of it for you.