In Increments, Senate Revisits Immigration Bill

NY Times ^ | August 3, 2007 | JULIA PRESTON

[TomGuy]

Graham, McCain, Kyl, et al, seem to have seen the light, been reborn.

It is also known as trying to save their rears in the next election — because they apparently already cashed the checks from the special interests who were pushing them to pass amnesty for illegals.

[Pietro]

I disagree. I would prefer that our soldiers be uncoerced volunteers.

[montag813]

Why should we permit illegals to join the military in the first place? What a gross hypocrisy. Are we so hard up for bodies that we have to make a mockery of U.S. sovereignty this way?

[angkor]

An amnesty almost as large as 1986 was included in the Senate Ag bill last week. I haven’t had time to check on the status.

The S-CHIP health insurance program was being revised to include approximately 1 million children of illegal aliens.

The Congress is adopting a new incrementalism, doing what they wanted to do in June, but now by stealth.

[twonie]

Service in the combat arms, please. The motorpool or an office job is no place for these people. Otherwise they might just as well work at McDonald’s or Homeless Depot.

[gubamyster]

ping

[Califreak]

Finally! Hate crimes I can agree with!

[TLI]

Military service should be the only way for illegals to become legal, IMHO.

Agreed. Two years of college is bs. The local cholos could pencil-whip that with some bogus paperwork from their cousin who works at the local Jr. College. Or something equally as simple.

These "Repeat Amnesty Bill Offenders" (RABO's) need to be positively identified. This list should be maintained and available throughout the entire 2008 election process.

Only by such a focused effort will we have a good chance at a overall knockout punch to the anti-American amnesty-for-votes click in DC. We need a demonstration of power. Once the list is established our goal should be 90% do not get reelected. To be on the list should be a political death sentence.

Will something like this work?

Dang right it will work! It is already working!

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1875492/posts

"McCain changes course on immigration"
WASHINGTON - Republican presidential hopeful John McCain on Thursday backed a scaled-down proposal that imposes strict rules to end illegal immigration but doesn't include a path to citizenship. The move away from a comprehensive measure is an about-face for the Arizona senator, who had been a leading GOP champion of a bill that included a guest worker program and would have legalized many of the estimated 12 million illegal immigrants living in the U.S. It failed earlier this year.

Now, McCain is actually either to stubborn or too stupid to realize that he is as done as French Toast BUT as a failing candidate he is a classic model of what I am talking about.

'The collapse of John McCain's campaign is the most visible sign of conservatives walking away from GOP leaders associated with the comprehensive immigration strategy,"

Yep. Check the chart and the pic. Right to the very day where little johnny is getting face time from MSM...

Now look at the date on the chart...

Bye-bye Johnny!

And it should be the same for the "Repeat Amnesty Bill Offenders" (RABO's).

[Dante3]

Illegals should never be allowed into the military. They would pose all kinds of risks - our military should not be a staffed with foreign criminals.

So what if an illegal alien graduates from high school - they should not even be allowed into high schools. No way should this be a path to citizenship.

What is so adorable about these criminals that our politicians are fighting in spite of it costing them votes?

[noamnasty]

Thats a trick , because most can’t even speak English, much less join military.

They will get their amnesty one way or the other . Just passed a bill to give them free insurance ,while we can’t afford insurance premium it’s so high . I guess they need help to pay for all those births and chain reactions of them ,like anchor baby’s and family’s.

[noamnasty]

The bill in June was just testing the waters, never meant to pass ,imo . It was to see what we would do . Now they know we will call and email them to death,[sarcasm].While the ones who win get out in the streets and in their face, we clog up phones for a few days and bust out the champaign. Now we are back to crying in our beer .

I am at the point of almost not caring anymore. I am so depressed about it all .

[WOSG]

The DREAM act is a NIGHTMARE.

It is a rolling amnesty for anyone here in the US that graduates high school. at taxpayers expense).

This is about illegal immigrant families getting yet another incentive for illegal immigration and more billions in welfare and other costs diverted because we cant control our immigration system. It is *hard* to get student visas, and putting this in place is a bad idea that makes our immigration system more broken than it would otherwise be.

Don’t bring in the military to this, it has nothing to do with it, and is just one of the feel-good sops thrown out there to divert from the massive amnesty that this represents.

All these bills should be seriously and strongly opposed until we get ENFORCEMENT FIRST out of the Congress.

[WOSG]

“Military service should be the only way for illegals to become legal, IMHO.

This is extremely dangerous. Illegals have absolutely no tradition of individual freedom and 99.9% of them will say “qué?” when asked about the the Bill of Rights. The not too long term plans of the democrats in Kongress include eventual confiscation of all privately owned firearms, and who do you think will be more likely to carry out such orders? Native born Americans or illegals (Mate a la gente con los armas? Si jeffe.)”

For more on this in history, read “Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire”. The barbarians that were let into the Roman Army (because the Romans needed to recruit more to fight, uh, other barbarians) eventually became the agents for the destruction of the western Roman Empire in the 5th century.

[Dante3]

I know how you feel. We need to bombard also radio talk shows, point out what they are doing. The traitors in our government are fanatically determined to destroy this country.

Somehow we must become better organized, and we have to keep after those who for whatever reason want to push amnesty and perks for illegal aliens down our throats.

[Dante3]

Good point.

[angkor]

The bill in June was just testing the waters, never meant to pass ,imo .

I totally disagree. 100 percent. So cheer up.

The Senate is a pack of wolves, but lone wolves. They do not play nice together, and they don't do that unless they must.

Take John Kerry with his Tuesday to Thursday "work" week. He files no bills, he misses many votes, he cosponsors only the trivial, and he continues to be reelected.

"He's an odd duck," you say. But, no, he isn't. That's how they all operate, as complete loners who come together only when they must. You see Kennedy at the rostrum with 5 other Senators and you think "They're pals, it's always like this for them". No, it isn;t. After that press op, Kennedy flies back to his office and 30+ person staff, slams the door to his office, and that's it, he;s doing whatever it is he does in there.

My point is that the Senate is far too self-absorbed and disconnected to come up with (not to mention execute) a plot or conspiracy.

What they did in Junes was genuine, as was their shock at being called to task by constituents. They live in another world. They were truly perturbed by all those telephone calls, faxes, and emails.

[from occupied ga]

eventually became the agents for the destruction of the western Roman Empire in the 5th century.

What I said. Those who are ignorant of history may end up repeating it. Of course sometimes those who are cognizant of history want to repeat it. It appears that the Democrats and a number of Republicans want to destroy America as we know it today and repalce itwith something along more socialist/totalitarial lines.

[WOSG]

In 1993, it was widely expected that socialized health care would arrive to the US.
In 1994, the Hillary Socialized Health Care plan exploded.

Then Hillary decided to do it incremental. Step 1 was the CHIP program. Step 2 was prescription drugs. Now, this week we get a huge expansion in CHIP, ‘kids’ who are 25 and families who make enough to pay AMT will get benefits - socialized medicine by increments.

In 2006, then in 2007, two attempts were made at wholesale amnesty. It failed.
“But shamnesty was solidly defeated-——the slapdown included the Mexican govt which backed amnesty.”

Just as with socialized medicine, the salami-slice approach to incremental change will be tried.

“Keep in mind that anti-illegal is a rare consensus issue. Politicians from both sides of the aisle are hearing the same thing.”

They need to be told point blank that *ANY AMNESTY PROGRAM IS VEHEMENTLY OPPOSED*. The DREAM Act, the Ag-Job amnesty, or other amnesties are all wrong.

We have to oppose creeping open borders and creeping socialism.

[WOSG]

“An amnesty almost as large as 1986 was included in the Senate Ag bill last week. I haven’t had time to check on the status.

The S-CHIP health insurance program was being revised to include approximately 1 million children of illegal aliens.

The Congress is adopting a new incrementalism, doing what they wanted to do in June, but now by stealth.”

IMPORTANT POINT!

[Dante3]

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