In Increments, Senate Revisits Immigration Bill

NY Times ^ | August 3, 2007 | JULIA PRESTON

[neverdem]

WASHINGTON, Aug. 2 — When a broad immigration bill failed in the Senate in June after a vitriolic national debate, many legislators said the issue was dead, perhaps until President Bush left office. But already some of the less contentious pieces of the bill are returning to life.

Last week, the Senate approved $3 billion for border security as part of a Homeland Security Department spending bill. Democrats and Republicans have also begun laying ground for a bill to create a new temporary immigrant worker program for agriculture.

Another bill, also with bipartisan support, would give a path to citizenship to high school graduates who are illegal immigrants if they complete two years of college or military service. Senator Richard J. Durbin, Democrat of Illinois and a sponsor of the bill, attached it as an amendment to the military authorization legislation that the Senate last month put off until September. Mr. Durbin said he would seek to move it again then.

The agriculture and student measures “have a decent chance of passing this Congress because they have strong champions, broad bipartisan support and they have been around for a long time,” said Frank Sharry, executive director of the National Immigration Forum, which supported the broad bill. But he cautioned that they would have to overcome a “toxic” atmosphere on immigration in the wake of the defeated bill.

The college bill attracted renewed interest this week because of Juan Sebastian Gomez, a student who just graduated with honors from Killian Senior High School in Miami. On July 25, immigration agents in Florida detained Mr. Gomez, 18, his brother and his parents, all illegal immigrants from Colombia, and prepared to deport them. Immigration officials delayed the deportation on Wednesday after a group of Mr. Gomez’s high school friends roused support in South...

[neverdem]

Military service should be the only way for illegals to become legal, IMHO.

[johnthebaptistmoore]

This would also help in boosting the recruiting number totals for the entire U.S. Armed Forces. Becoming a legal U.S. citizen after doing a certain amount of U.S. military service is a very acceptable thing to most people.

[indcons]

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[WorkerbeeCitizen]

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[Ben Ficklin]

"Military service should be the only way for illegals to become legal"

Just military service or military service in a combat zone?

[goldstategop]

Shamnesty on the dosage plan.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

[nyyankeefan]

if they vote for incremental amnesty...the voters should vote for their incremental loss in the next election!!!!

[from occupied ga]

Military service should be the only way for illegals to become legal, IMHO.

This is extremely dangerous. Illegals have absolutely no tradition of individual freedom and 99.9% of them will say "qué?" when asked about the the Bill of Rights. The not too long term plans of the democrats in Kongress include eventual confiscation of all privately owned firearms, and who do you think will be more likely to carry out such orders? Native born Americans or illegals (Mate a la gente con los armas? Si jeffe.)

[dforest]

This is the way all of the CIR bill will get through. They know we won’t be able to keep up with it.

No victory was won, they will just keep this up until it all passes.

We told them NO, and now we are actually discussing all of this once more, as though it makes sense to go over it again.

[Liz]

The amnesty suckups need to feel the sting of interference. Read on.

Clearly, the invaders and their cadres of co-conspirators are (a) conspiring against the US government and (b) committing hate crimes against America and Americans. It's time Americans victimized by these invaders have OUR rights enforced by federal law.

The time has come to institute provisional citizenship. Anyone who spews hate and total discontent about OUR country, who marches in mobs and holds up hate signs does not deserve citizenship, ever.

It's time Americans victimized by these invaders have OUR rights enforced by federal law. It's time to penalize anyone on American soil who (a) conspires against the US government and (b) commits hate crimes against America and Americans.

Tancredo or Hunter should initiate federal legislation that would impose severe penalties for undermining the US government and committing hate crimes against Americans (crimes like stealing our identities, cloning our cell phones, fraudulently registering/voting, and looting the tax assets of Americans).

Hate Crimes Against Americans---Undermining the US government.

1 - Invaders' using illegal ID or documents

2 - Invaders' Federal income tax evasion

3 - Re-entry into USA after deportation

4 - Obtain/Operate vehicles with illegal ID

5 - ID theft/fraud - Social Security fraud

6 - Knowingly gaining employment fraudulently

7 - Recruiting other illegal aliens workers

8 - Transporting illegal aliens across the border

9 - Harboring &/or housing illegal aliens on American soil

10 - Endangering Americans by undermining US national security

11 - Registering/Voting using fraudulent documentation

12 - Conspiracy to violate federal statutes

13 - Uttering false statements to public officials

14 - Obstructing law enforcement

15 - Sham marriages to avoid deportation

FReepers should emphasize to lawmakers that Americans are demanding:

Provisional citizenship laws

Severe penalties for Hate Crimes Against Americans

Severe penalties for conspiring against, and undermining, the US government

[WildcatClan]

It would seem amnesty is coming, one way or the other, whether we like it or not. Whether in bits or pieces or one illegal at a time. This time it’s a 3.96 GPA, next time it will be something else.

[LibLieSlayer]

dims want 3 Billion $$$ for border security but ONE TRILLION DOLLARS for union built bridges and Interstates. What an arse backwards world in which we live!!!

LLS

[WildcatClan]

Some good ideas, Liz, but no matter what Hunter and Tancredo initiate, it will never become law as long as the Dems control congress, and Bush is in the Whitehouse. Hunter, not only initiated, but got the fence passed, but where is it? Chertoff and Bush are stalling and talking about problems with a fence, but the debate is over, it passed, so build it! It’s my opinion that if Hunter doesn’t get elected or Tancredo, as far as illegal immigrants are concerned, it won’t matter if it’s a Democrat or Republican. This one issue is far important than most think. If we fail in this, it will be like dominoes falling, and after a while border enforcement won’t be a problem anymore. No one will want to come here. There is no upside in leaving one 3rd world crap-hole for another.

[nicmarlo]

BBL

ty for the ping.

[Anonymous Rex]

And it should be a minimum of 8 years not 2.

[bcsco]

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Huh! "McCain changes course on immigration." That's BS based on the letter I received from him dated July 17th...

Family seeks support for border agent; Ignacio Ramos serving 11-year sentence...

McCain changes course on immigration

Video Game Lets Players Be Immigrants

Monserrate pushes city IDs for all(including illegals)

Guard Numbers on Border to Be Cut

Teens facing deportation get Capitol Hill support

Fleeing Cubans reach U.S. through Mexico

48 arrested in I-70 patrol sweep ( illegal immigrants )

[Wonder Warthog]

"Just military service or military service in a combat zone?"

Just military service. Remember, once they join up, the choice of where they go is NOT up to them. If they end up in a motor pool in Germany, then that's what the army says it needed from them.

[Liz]

Provisional citizenship laws, Severe penalties for Hate Crimes Against Americans, Severe penalties for conspiring against, and undermining, the US government ...........good ideas but will never become law as long as the Dems control congress, and Bush is in the White House.........

Lookit, the amnesty bill was not expected to be defeated---(GWB even bragged about "see you at the signing").

But shamnesty was solidly defeated-----the slapdown included the Mexican govt which backed amnesty.

Keep in mind that anti-illegal is a rare consensus issue. Politicians from both sides of the aisle are hearing the same thing.

As you insightfully posted: " This one issue is more important than most think.........border enforcement won’t be a problem. No one will want to come here. There is no upside in leaving one 3rd world crap-hole for another."

It's already been established our politicians are pandering idiots. If we entered other countries illegally, we'd be arrested and kicked out on our butts. Does everyone know that while Mexicans are reconquering whole areas of the US-----the govt of Mexico TIGHTENED their borders, and toughened their immigration laws so they don't have to put up with situation they are foisting on us.

It's an outrage that US citizens are socked with the costs of subsidizing illegal Mexico's citizens, and are forced to put-up a multi-billion dollar fence, and hire law enforcement to keep these invaders off our land. We get all the grief AND the bills---Mexico gets off scot-free. That has to end.

Keep in mind that the US (that's us, the taxpayers) provides the nuclear defense umbrella to protect Mexico, so that Mexico has no real defense expenses. We need to let Mexico know that we will cut off every penny in US aid unless they do something about border security.

Mexico can well-afford it. Mexico is a wealthy oil-producing neighbor and has eleven "Forbes" billionaires, more than all but eight other nations. Mexico has more billionaires than Saudi Arabia, Switzerland or Taiwan. It also has more than 85,000 millionaires. It's telecommunications king---Carlos Slim has displaced Bill Gates as the world's richest man.

According to a CNN report, Mexico sits on oil reserves worth about $400 billion, but Mexico's state-owned oil company, Pemex, doesn't have the investment funds to tap those reserves, and Mexico's Congress refuses to allow foreign investment in Pemex. Some observers say this is due to Mexican gov't corruption, and the obsession to line their own pockets.

Adding insult to injury American taxpayers are subsidizing foreign aid transfers to Mexico from its lettuce pickers and hamburger flippers here. The percentage corrupt Mexican politicans are getting from this $30-40 billion bundle must be considerable (or else it would be stopped). America should mandate proof for all cash transfers out of the US and/or force all transferring agencies -- banks, credit unions, Amex, Western Union to collect a substantial withholding tax -- 50%, say -- on every unexplained foreign remittance. The government of Mexico---with all of its oil revenue----needs to be pitching in to protect the borders (AND taking care of its own people, not "outsourcing' them as wards of American taxpayers).

Our politicians are pandering idiots. We demand they obey the constitution they were sworn to uphold. We demand they do something about legal citizens losing their savings/homes/futures.........while illegal invaders owning homes in the countries they emanated from, and cash in the bank, are sponging off US citizens.

[Diogenesis]

"Our JOB #1 is to defend, house, protect, insure, immunize, and fully provide for all illegal aliens."